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They finished 5th in the 1914-15 season, the first division was being expanded to 22 but Arsenal got the vote rather than other teams. The below doesn't help to dismiss there has always been a "red cartel" :)

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"The club controversially rejoined the First Division in 1919,despite having only finished sixth in 1914-15, the last season of competitive football before the First World War — although an error in the calculation of goal average meant Arsenal had actually finished fifth, an error which was corrected by the Football League in 1975.

The First Division was being expanded from 20 teams to 22, and the two new entrants were to be elected at an AGM of the Football League. On past precedent the two places would be given to the two clubs that would otherwise have been relegated, namely Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur. Instead one of the extra places was awarded to Chelsea and a ballot was called for the remaining place.

The candidates included 20th-placed Tottenham and, from the Second Division, Barnsley (who had finished third); Wolverhampton Wanderers, (fourth); Birmingham (fifth, later amended to sixth); Arsenal; Hull City (seventh); and Nottingham Forest (eighth).

The League voted to promote sixth-placed Arsenal, for reasons of history over merit; Norris argued that Arsenal be promoted for their "long service to league football", having been the first League club from the South. The League board agreed; Arsenal received 18 votes, Tottenham 8, Barnsley 5 and Wolves 4, with a further 6 votes shared between the other clubs.

The announcement of the vote reportedly caught all the clubs, except Arsenal, unawares and the affair is a major contributing factor to the rivalry which has fuelled the long-standing enmity between Arsenal and Tottenham. There is also an inconsistency in the argument – if "long service to league football" was the criterion for promoting Arsenal instead of Tottenham then Wolverhampton Wanderers, who finished two points ahead of Arsenal and were founder members of the Football League, would appear to have had a stronger claim. It has been alleged that this was due to backroom deals or even outright bribery by Sir Henry Norris,colluding with his friend John McKenna, the chairman of Liverpool and the Football League, who recommended Arsenal's promotion at the AGM.

No conclusive proof of wrongdoing has come to light, though other aspects of Norris's financial dealings unrelated to the promotion controversy have fuelled speculation on the matter; Norris resigned as chairman and left the club in 1929, having been found guilty by the Football Association of financial irregularities; he was found to have misused his expenses account, and to have pocketed the proceeds of the sale of the Arsenal team bus.

Regardless of the circumstances of their promotion, Arsenal have remained in the top division since 1919, and as a result hold the English record for the longest unbroken stretch of top-flight football. There appear to be no extant records of the meetings which elected Arsenal to the First Division in 1919, however the book Making the Arsenal proposes a different reason for their election in that year, arguing that match-fixing issues from the final year of football before the war (1914–15) were used by Norris as a weapon in his battle to get Arsenal promoted. He demanded that Liverpool and Manchester United (some of whose players had been found guilty of match fixing) be punished by relegation or expulsion, and threatened to organise a breakaway from the league by Midlands and southern clubs if nothing was done. To placate him the League offered Arsenal a place in the First Division."
Great post, shows how grubby Woolwich have always been and interesting to see the involvement of the 2 red arse cheeks in cheating and match fixing.

Another interesting piece of 'istreeee is dirty dirty dirty Leeds. Originally formed in 1905 as Leeds City, they were expelled from the league for a bribery scandal and a new club voted in as Leeds utd.

Anyway #onebillymeredith!

Regards Moyes, the adage of never going back in football is there for a reason and this'll end in tears, unfortunately.
 
Another interesting piece of 'istreeee is dirty dirty dirty Leeds. Originally formed in 1905 as Leeds City, they were expelled from the league for a bribery scandal and a new club voted in as Leeds utd.
I live between Huddersfield & Leeds (nearer Leeds) but to add the newly formed Leeds United were taken over by people involved with Town, which is where the rivalry came from.

In 1920 Leeds United were acquired by Huddersfield Town's chairman Hilton Crowther. Crowther planned to amalgamate Huddersfield Town and Leeds United, but a public outcry in the Huddersfield press prevented this; eventually, enough money was raised in Huddersfield to buy Crowther out, leaving him to concentrate solely on Leeds United.

On 31 May 1920 Leeds United were elected to the Football League; they polled 31 votes and entered the Second Division along with Cardiff City, who won 23 votes.

Due to the connection with Huddersfield, Leeds adopted the home colours of Huddersfield for their first home kit.
 
Shit, back to being our bogey team then, hated playing against Moyes Everton sides tbh, he always seemed to get them up for giving us a kicking.

I disliked him when he went to the rags but I then bumped into him at a pub in The Trough Of Bowland (Whitewells) and he was genuinely a nice bloke, happy to chat footy for ages and bought our table a round of drinks, that was after calling him a raggy bastard as well which was a bit cringe!

That had more to do with Peter Walton than Moyes.
 
I live between Huddersfield & Leeds (nearer Leeds) but to add the newly formed Leeds United were taken over by people involved with Town, which is where the rivalry came from.

In 1920 Leeds United were acquired by Huddersfield Town's chairman Hilton Crowther. Crowther planned to amalgamate Huddersfield Town and Leeds United, but a public outcry in the Huddersfield press prevented this; eventually, enough money was raised in Huddersfield to buy Crowther out, leaving him to concentrate solely on Leeds United.

On 31 May 1920 Leeds United were elected to the Football League; they polled 31 votes and entered the Second Division along with Cardiff City, who won 23 votes.

Due to the connection with Huddersfield, Leeds adopted the home colours of Huddersfield for their first home kit.
Can you hear the banjos?
 
Has Chemical Jim offered Moyes any of the shite players they have ?

Michael Carricks Middlesborough haven't got the money but wee davey has.
 
He always seems to come across as a nice enough fella on the telly. He had an impossible job at the swamp. Whoever succeeded GPC was on a hiding to nothing. Whatever that manager did, he'd be compared to his predecessor. The same could well happen when Pep knocks it on the head with us.
I’ve thought for many years that it incredibly difficult to follow a legend, and I’ve seen it in all walks of life.

We even had it, with Claudio following Joe Hart, and there is no doubt in my mind that we’ll see it, when the great bald fraud moves on, unless the team hits the ground running and produces results similar to those we’d expect from Pep.
 
I live between Huddersfield & Leeds (nearer Leeds) but to add the newly formed Leeds United were taken over by people involved with Town, which is where the rivalry came from.

In 1920 Leeds United were acquired by Huddersfield Town's chairman Hilton Crowther. Crowther planned to amalgamate Huddersfield Town and Leeds United, but a public outcry in the Huddersfield press prevented this; eventually, enough money was raised in Huddersfield to buy Crowther out, leaving him to concentrate solely on Leeds United.

On 31 May 1920 Leeds United were elected to the Football League; they polled 31 votes and entered the Second Division along with Cardiff City, who won 23 votes.

Due to the connection with Huddersfield, Leeds adopted the home colours of Huddersfield for their first home kit.
You must be pretty close to me. I live closer to Leeds than Huddersfield (just).

Bradford City and Huddersfield Town supporters hate dirty Leeds with almost as much passion as @jimharri and I.
 
It's a crazy option and why give him a two and half year's deal, Moyes is not better than Dyche
I also heard that this week the PSR figures are published and 4 teams have failed and Everton could be one of them

Anything to keep the rags up by deducting points off others
 
If you think the rags are going to be allowed to fall foul of the Premier League's PSR rules, I've got some magic beans to sell you.

They'll probably find some more COVID allowances down the back of Scruffy Jim's sofa.
If they scrape through, the other 4 should kick up a stink over the rags, but I won't hold my breath
 

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