Everton v City post match

[Sam W]

Think Bravo & Willy will both be gone in the summer now.

As will Zabba, Clichy, Yaya, Delph, Navas & one of Kolorov or Sanga.

Doesn't make for a good squad dynamic.

 

[CelesteItis]

Pep or the players?
We've been told and shown that great managers do fine with whatever is at their disposal, i.e Pellegrini at Málaga and so.
It's Pep, methinks. He's got to re-engineer this shambles, prontissimo.
Or, fuck this season and rebuild from the next.

 

[MarsLlama]

@twosips sums it up brilliantly.

 

[2infinity&beyond]

I honestly dont think its so complex. If you give away goals and in the same match dont put your chances away chances are you will lose. Thats what has been happening. Pep needs to work out how to sort these 2 issues out and then we will start winning well.eg WHU 5-0.

 

[blueinsa]

Perhaps they have took their eye off the ball, they are not exactly football men are they.

Maybe they have but imo and it is only my opinion, they have got the team they want, built the finances required long term to compete at the very top and they will give them the time to implement what has always been a long term plan, 5 years, 10 years etc etc.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Shambolic.

Only de Bruyne and Silva for about 20 mins each played well. Both poor 2nd half. Sagna ok.

The second half was so spineless it was untrue.

That 4th goal summed us up.

Let's go through the rest of them.

Bravo- not good enough. Saves nothing. How can players be confident with him behind them. his angles are all wrong.

Clichy - oh dear. Past it 3 years ago

Stones - rubbish. He needs to get his head in the right place because he is not having a good season.

Ottamendi- what was he doing for their 2nd goal?

Toure - played too deep and sloppy.

Zab - past it

Sterling - missed two great chances and went missing afterwards. Poor.

Aguero - where was he today? After fucking up twice this season you think he would be busting his bollocks. Looked like he didn't give a shit.

Kelechi - awful performance. Div 1 standard.

 

[GY.Blue]

We can't really judge pep this season as he's working with mainly post pellegrini players,in my opinion we've got to drag ourselves through this season and start afresh and let pep bring in his own players,to be honest it might even do us good if we have no European football next season so we can rebuild properly,if we still come up short next year then we have a right to criticise him,surely he must know who needs to go.

 

[edinburgh123]

He made 0 saves today and let in 4. He is obviously several levels down on what a title chasing team needs in goal. He is the 19th rated GK in the PL. We've spent £17m on a fraudster.

Since when did the Premier League go down to 19 teams?

 

[blueinsa]

Been on this site for a few years now as I like to use it to tap into the general feeling and consensus. I'm not usually tempted to post, but that really was a shambles today.....made me truly angry watching!!

I've been trying to kid myself that us missing chance after chance at one end and conceding with every shot at the other is just a run of bad luck!

I don't like slagging the team and want anyone who plays for City to be successful, but:

Bravo hasn't made a decent save since he joined us. Doesn't look like saving anything

John Stones is the most psssive defended I've seen for a long time...backs off far too much, and error prone at the moment.

Full backs are a well documented weakness.

Aguero just looks angry at the moment!

Midfield lacks energy and any defensive shape.

We are not getting the best out of our best players (KDB, Silva, Sterling)

Kelechi seems to have gone backwards this year...although he hasn't been given many opportunities.

Pep needs to get back to basics. He looks she'll shocked at the moment and the season could really unravel if we're not very careful.

Clean sheets are king. A top class keeper and Centre half would make a huge difference, but I think business will be done in the summer and we will have to soldier on this year. I can't see us making top 4....let's pray we get it right in one of the cups (FA or CL)

You should post more mate.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Silva: peripheral
De Bruyne: anonymous
Sterling: confused
Aguero: disinterested

I wouldn't mind, but they were probably our best players in the first half.

Don't know if this is to be taken seriously. KDB put in two passes in the first half that no other player on the pitch could have even thought of, let alone executed. Sterling was looking a threat. Sergio was completely ineffective, right through the match. Second half, not one of City's players can be defended. Not one. Worst performance of the season, overall.

Onwards and upwards, eh? (Couldn't get worse anyway. Could it?)

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Mate, bravo hasnt been good enough, but that doesnt mean hart is.

In 2 different UCL campaigns Hart was rated the best City player, what does that tell you? would a reasonable manager ridicule a goalie of that class?

 

[capiloton]

i've missed Mancini.
i don't care if City play ugly and still win 1-0.
all those high possession for nothing are totally useless.
brain dead defensive and slow passing tempo are painful to watch.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Been on this site for a few years now as I like to use it to tap into the general feeling and consensus. I'm not usually tempted to post, but that really was a shambles today.....made me truly angry watching!!

I've been trying to kid myself that us missing chance after chance at one end and conceding with every shot at the other is just a run of bad luck!

I don't like slagging the team and want anyone who plays for City to be successful, but:

Bravo hasn't made a decent save since he joined us. Doesn't look like saving anything

John Stones is the most psssive defended I've seen for a long time...backs off far too much, and error prone at the moment.

Full backs are a well documented weakness.

Aguero just looks angry at the moment!

Midfield lacks energy and any defensive shape.

We are not getting the best out of our best players (KDB, Silva, Sterling)

Kelechi seems to have gone backwards this year...although he hasn't been given many opportunities.

Pep needs to get back to basics. He looks she'll shocked at the moment and the season could really unravel if we're not very careful.

Clean sheets are king. A top class keeper and Centre half would make a huge difference, but I think business will be done in the summer and we will have to soldier on this year. I can't see us making top 4....let's pray we get it right in one of the cups (FA or CL)

If Pep is going to succeed we will have to start being more clinical in front of goal.

If we can't do that, then, as you say, it will require focus on clean sheets etc. But I can't imagine thatt will be under Pep.

For the forseeable future it's going to be Pep trying to get his football to work & our defenders will still be suspect. Somebody has to put the ball in the net.

 

[Eaglechief]

Yes.

As would anybody with half a brain.

Bob not only 'got' us as a club, but he surely 'got' what it takes to win in England.

Sometimes a manager just 'works' for a particular club. Bob did so for us. Sacking him was criminal in its stupidity. Criminal.

Spot on!

Sacking Mancini was as much of blunder for this club, as Joe Mercer in the early 70's.

 

[warringtonblue]

A team containing a Souness or dare I say it a Keane, wouldn't have let a lad making his debut take the piss knocking us about in midfield like Davies did. No leaders on the pitch, take the hit and sign Van Dyke from Southampton whatever the cost

 

[Feed the Elk]

Unfortunately Bravo is also pretty crap with his feet

 

[oakiecokie]

Pep should start to look at bringing a few youngster in ... then again you don`t win `owt with kids.Or so we were told.

 

[Keeper!]

I just don't follow Pep's mentality. He had a choice, either go with the first team players we had and back them and say they were now his players and make it work, or he had to bin them and go with youth.

He chose to raise questions about players like Kun who hasn't been the same since, and binned of the likes of Yaya, Nasri and co.

He hasn't followed through on it though. Everton were prepared to pick Davies today, Liverpool are prepared to play Arnold at Old Trafford. Maffeo, A Garcia should have been regulars this season and Tosin should have had more game-time. It's not about whether they make it long-term, it's them being a fresh impetus to the side, less baggage and bringing something different that the first teamers clearly can't provide because the results prove it. Just because Zaba has a good game in midfield doesn't mean it's suited to him as a spot, just because Sagna puts a good cross in or Clichy scores a goal, it's not enough. He has a £40m winger he's barely using but who helped win us the last big game we played.

Pep is doing exactly what Pelle did with Bony over Kelechi which pissed everyone off. I expected more from him, I expected that once he saw the first teamers let him down he would turn to the youth and give them the chance and build around the few key players he wants to keep. So far there is very little difference to Pelle, playing his favourites or first team pros on big contracts at all costs, even if it means they play out of position or aren't as effective with the players around them, and not only giving them a fair chance but then turning to others and giving them a fair crack to prove themselves.

It's frustrating. It's the same old players, doing the same old shit. Conte went in to Chelsea and fitted the team into a system that suited his best player, and it doesn't matter if it means Alonso/Moses have to play for the good of the team over Fabregas/Pedro/Willian. Likewise, Klopp will leave out Sakho/Moreno/Sturridge for the good of picking "lesser" players who will do their job and make the team better. Pochettino binned most of the expensive rubbish bought for him at Spurs and took the good and added lesser thought of players to make the team better.

City stick Zaba in CM, continue playing past-it full backs, continuing picking the keeper in worse form and continue picking Yaya/Silva/KDB/Kun in the same line-up even though it never really works.

Good post.

What must a kid like Garcia think when he see's an ageing full back playing in his role?

The injuries/ suspensions and ageing should have led to chances for our young players, it worries me that some of them will want out, and I would not blame them

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

We can't really judge pep this season as he's working with mainly post pellegrini players,in my opinion we've got to drag ourselves through this season and start afresh and let pep bring in his own players,to be honest it might even do us good if we have no European football next season so we can rebuild properly,if we still come up short next year then we have a right to criticise him,surely he must know who needs to go.

He decided to spend a fortune on players and loan the fuckers out!!!!

I care about city not pep. He had all the money in the world over the summer and chose to sign a goalie and more wingers. The last things we needed.

 

[The perfect fumble]