Extinction Rebellion

Kazzydeyna said:
Don't get me wrong, I too support ANYBODY'S right to protest. I think legitimate protest is something any country can be proud of. I just get unbelievably frustrated at people telling other people what to think AND proposing ideas that will if not ruin, at least radically change, other peoples quality of life whilst leaving their own largely unmolested.
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Again I agree, although I do think you are probably much more Libertarian than myself.

I do believe ER has successfully highlighted there concerns, however they are light on solutions and those that I have seen are as you say are more impactful on the working class than then the middle/upper class.

I am hopeful that now the concerns have been raised they can use the platform they have created to pursue goals that consider the working class and any future policy ideas consider the effects of them on those who are most in need.

As I am more authoritarian I believe than your good self, I have no problem with forcing through change as long as the working class are given due consideration and the effects of any change do not increase inequality. Your idea of a progressive carbon tax is one I would fully support and I would hope the Labour Party would see merit in such an idea, of course it would face opposition probably from those who have been demonstrating, but if it is change they want, then they would have to accept it in good faith and it would challenge their convictions to their cause.
 
Met a tech millionaire in a bar in Austin, Texas last week. He said that humanity is on the verge of social meltdown. Really threw me back. He was really together, a great guy; not a loon. Thinks things are unravelling. Hope to fuck he’s wrong, but I fear irrespective, all these debates about a few percentage shift in living standards will become nugatory.

The current system simply isn’t sustainable. We’re consuming too many of the planet’s resources in too short a time frame.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Met a tech millionaire in a bar in Austin, Texas last week. He said that humanity is on the verge of social meltdown. Really threw me back. He was really together, a great guy; not a loon. Thinks things are unravelling. Hope to fuck he’s wrong, but I fear irrespective, all these debates about a few percentage shift in living standards will become nugatory.

The current system simply isn’t sustainable. We’re consuming too many of the planet’s resources in too short a time frame.
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All through the medium of Facebook and twitter as well.

Save the planet and mankind?

Ban them both as they are a fucking scourge and a platform for loons.
 
Rascal said:
Again I agree, although I do think you are probably much more Libertarian than myself.

I do believe ER has successfully highlighted there concerns, however they are light on solutions and those that I have seen are as you say are more impactful on the working class than then the middle/upper class.

I am hopeful that now the concerns have been raised they can use the platform they have created to pursue goals that consider the working class and any future policy ideas consider the effects of them on those who are most in need.

As I am more authoritarian I believe than your good self, I have no problem with forcing through change as long as the working class are given due consideration and the effects of any change do not increase inequality. Your idea of a progressive carbon tax is one I would fully support and I would hope the Labour Party would see merit in such an idea, of course it would face opposition probably from those who have been demonstrating, but if it is change they want, then they would have to accept it in good faith and it would challenge their convictions to their cause.
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Why are Labour obsessed with taxes, taxes are just an admission that you don't know how to sort the problem. Taxes do. not. solve anything. All taxes do is reduce productivity and have a negative effect on the economy.

Here is why - If you created a new tax on my car then I would just pay it and that hurts my pocket and I'll still drive so it does nothing to solve climate change. We have a tax on emissions already and everyone just pays it.

The simple answer to all of this is an infinitely more effective carbon neutral transportation system but with Labour in power, a 32 hour week and unions calling the shots etc then how will you ever get this done in 6 years?

We couldn't even build the new M60 motorway smart lanes in 10 years let alone 6.
 
inbetween said:
Why are Labour obsessed with taxes, taxes are just an admission that you don't know how to sort the problem. Taxes do. not. solve anything. All taxes do is reduce productivity and have a negative effect on the economy.

Here is why - If you created a new tax on my car then I would just pay it and that hurts my pocket and I'll still drive so it does nothing to solve climate change. We have a tax on emissions already and everyone just pays it.

The simple answer to all of this is an infinitely more effective carbon neutral transportation system but with Labour in power, a 32 hour week and unions calling the shots etc then how will you ever get this done in 6 years?

We couldn't even build the new M60 motorway smart lanes in 10 years let alone 6.
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Taxes ensure people have a stake in society, it is a crude notion and rather simplistic. Taxes do not necessarily reduce productivity, taxes now are much lower than the 60s yet productivity was much higher in the 60s.

There is evidence a shorter working week actually improves productivity and Unions have led change for the working class for generations.

The M60 btw is being built by a Tory government :)
 
Now boarding planes at London City Airport.

Wankers the lot of them.
 
mexico1970 said:
The spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion with Andrew Neil was named Xion Lights.
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How cool...

Just seen it pmsl

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Groovy baby....yeah!
 
blueinsa said:
I have done, thought it was Austin Powers ;-)
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Get the jokes in quick we'll all be dead in a decade and that's if we are lucky.

If we give these people any more credibility it'll be death camps for the over 60's and sterilisation for the undesirables, she may look like a comedy genius with her papier-mache necklace she's wearing but I genuinely believe that these people could end up killing more people than political ideologies of the past if we allow them.
 
mexico1970 said:
Get the jokes in quick we'll all be dead in a decade and that's if we are lucky.

If we give these people any more credibility it'll be death camps for the over 60's and sterilisation for the undesirables, she may look like a comedy genius with her papier-mache necklace she's wearing but I genuinely believe that these people could end up killing more people than political ideologies of the past if we allow them.
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Yep dangerous ideologues with an almost religious intent and adamance that its their way or no way at all for us all.
 
Rascal said:
Taxes ensure people have a stake in society, it is a crude notion and rather simplistic. Taxes do not necessarily reduce productivity, taxes now are much lower than the 60s yet productivity was much higher in the 60s.

There is evidence a shorter working week actually improves productivity and Unions have led change for the working class for generations.

The M60 btw is being built by a Tory government :)
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I thought this was about climate change and not the whole socialist thing again?

Judging off the stake comment, it sounds to me more like you want stealth taxes to fund your socialist utopia rather than solve climate change?

I have always got the impression that this is the real aim for ER members and to them whilst the climate is important, establishing a socialist order is just as if not more important.

This is why they are totally devoid of reasoning behind the fact that for example it is the Tories and a Blair government that brought us from 3% renewables to 45% and a green tech boom. Those dirty capitalists....
 
inbetween said:
I thought this was about climate change and not the whole socialist thing again?

Judging off the stake comment, it sounds to me more like you want stealth taxes to fund your socialist utopia rather than solve climate change?

I have always got the impression that this is the real aim for ER members and to them whilst the climate is important, establishing a socialist order is just as if not more important.

This is why they are totally devoid of reasoning behind the fact that for example it is the Tories and a Blair government that brought us from 3% renewables to 45% and a green tech boom. Those dirty capitalists....
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The ER lot are many things but one could never accuse them of being socialists. That's not to say THEY wouldn't say they were but they are mose certainly not.

Socialism aims to raise the living standards of the working classes. ER have a set of frankly ludicrous policies whose express result would be to make working class loves infinitely harder and less enjoyable whilst making barely a dent in the quality of life of the affluent middle classes and above. It's not a coincidence that the throngs of protestors gumming up london streets had hardly a single working class person on them. (As a very general rule working class people tend to work during the week, eschew dreadlocks and neck bandanas and mostly don't speak with that annoying estuary English non-accented accent).

"Allowing" working families ONE flight every FIVE years without paying punitive taxes for the privilege of going abroad more than that harms those on low or average income disproportionately whilst allowing the affluent eco-headcases the opportunity to recolonise the Costa del sol , free of working class people with their " tattoos and football shirts" .

As usual it is big business which produces man made co2 and working people that the middle class overlords expect to pay for it. It was the same principle with the banking crisis.

Ask an ER nutter if he wants to remain or leave. Hell almost certainly say remain despite the fact that if we leave " planes will fall from the sky, ports will be blocked by non-moving ships and cars will grind to a standstill on blocked roads" - all the things the ER loons say they want to happen!

Hypocrites and liars for sure. Socialists, definitely not.
 
lazerblue said:
over population affects us all lamebrain, they should practice what they preach
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Don't be ridiculous. We don't have an overpopulation problem in the UK. If anything, the opposite.

There's a very strong argument to say that there isn't an overpopulation problem anywhere in the world. Population levels are falling across the western world and in a lot of Asia. Populations are still increasing in much of Africa and Latin America, but it's largely due to poverty and lack of education and there are still very high rates of infant mortality.

Increasing population in itself is not a problem. What is a problem is the expansion of consumerism as political and economic philosophy into large parts of the world where it has been so far largely absent. The planet simply can't take that level of consumption and resource extraction and use. And that is what the XR movement is about. Trying to prod western governments into thinking about a more sustainable political economy and western populations into thinking about more sustainable lifestyles.

Those who bang on about overpopulation actually want the rest of the world to just stop, while they go on with enjoying their historically privileged lifestyles and without thinking, or actually dismissing, about the necessary changes we are all going to have to make.
 
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