F1 2023 season

[meltonblue]

The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.

It’s not, at least no more than it has been before.

 

[Keeper!]

Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen have that **** streak. All of them have done some shady moves in their time to win titles. I can see Max winning a few more as well with it.

Max is something very special for me, the mistakes have gone and he is now a relentless, magnificent driver at the top of his game in one of the finest cars seen in decades.

Did you see Max's dad's face when Perez was celebrating with the pit crew, Joss is and was a ****.

All the greats are cunts, Prost was a very decent guy out of the car but when needed he was a hyperbole, egotistical ****.

 

[Keeper!]

The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.

Adrian Newey is a genius, he was at Williams, Ferrari, Mclaren and now Red Bull.

Get Newey and get titles.

 

[eversince 76]

That’s exactly the article I was referring to though! Have you actually read it rather than just the headline? As Wolffs actual opinion on it is exactly the same as yours!

Here’s another article based on the exact same press conference and quotes, this time with a more accurate headline…

Wolff: Mercedes can't complain about Red Bull dominating F1 'meritocracy'

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www.gpfans.com

Or this one too -

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff has no problem with Red Bull bossing new F1 season: 'It's a meritocracy'

Mercedes team principal and CEO Toto Wolff says he has no problem with Red Bull bossing the Formula 1 season, calling success in the sport a meritocracy; Red Bull have won 12 of the last 13 F1 races, with Lewis Hamilton describing them as the fastest I have ever seen

www.skysports.com

If he’d said what Horner said when Mercedes were dominating, then I’d completely agree with you. He hasn’t though, in fact the opposite.

Read it mate. It’s what you wanna read imho. Wolff came out after there’s hardly any domination from RB yet. And that is typical from German managers in sports in the past. He said the words and later clarify it. Now look at Klopp at Liverpool. Mention City and money when he thinks it suits him. Not the sportmenship Germans like to represent.

 

[bluesince76]

The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.

The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.

All of the above is what I love about F1.

 

[Keeper!]

The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick

F1 FFP laws are impossible to manage, how on earth do you know what Ferrari , Honda, and Mercedes spend, it's far too easy for companies of that size to hide payments on development.

 

[Metal Biker]

The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick

Being a Manchester City fan, I despise 'spending' caps.

Limit investment, that'll improve the sport!

 

[Metal Biker]

It’s not, at least no more than it has been before.

So then why are we all talking about it? Why have there been Hamilton/Mercedes fans lamenting at Red Bull's 'dominance' as being a bad indicator for the future of the sport?

 

[Looby blue]

Max is something very special for me, the mistakes have gone and he is now a relentless, magnificent driver at the top of his game in one of the finest cars seen in decades.

Did you see Max's dad's face when Perez was celebrating with the pit crew, Joss is and was a ****.

All the greats are cunts, Prost was a very decent guy out of the car but when needed he was a hyperbole, egotistical ****.

Joss wasn't a great.