F1 thread - 2019 Season

Henkeman said:
I said not a word about you, I said your claim is nonsense. And it is. You cannot for a single second assume that Vettel would have won that race when Hamilton didn't need to overtake him to win. To do so is preposterous. Again, that's not saying that he would have done, it's not saying that the penalty was fair, but it IS saying that having happened, all Hamilton had to do was keep within 5 seconds. Assuming Vettel would have won is as ludicrous as assuming Hamilton definitely would have overtaken. You can object to the decision without going Mystic Meg on the outcome.
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Your language is extreme.

Telling someone they are being preposterous and talking unutterable nonsense is offensive.

We disagree, fine, I have no problem with that.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Your language is extreme.

Telling someone they are being preposterous and talking unutterable nonsense is offensive.

We disagree, fine, I have no problem with that.
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Offensive? Oh diddums.

Fine with disagreeing, don't play the victim. Your argument was preposterous.
 
Gray said:
Thinking about when he rejoined the track, Hamilton managed to brake to avoid hitting Vetel.

Mind you Louis is the better driver, in my opinion.
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I don't think its just in your opinion mate, Lewis is on a whole fuckin different level to Vettel. He's actually broke him as a driver. And its great to watch.
 
the only good thing that come out of the weekend race was the ferrari looking fast again ?? and maybe there is a fight for the title's to mercedes or they just had a off day after hamilton crashed his car in practice ???

vettel clearly knows the rules and is always pushing the car and does not think and makes silly mistakes under pressure, even hamilton said in the interview straight after the race he said it (i made him panic) so everybody knows the facts ?? vettel looked like a spoiled little kid after the race and moving the podium markers was so funny hahahaha
hamilton is in control and the ferrari's and vettel will need a total break down by mercedes to over turn the lead they have, but the F1 season is long and 25 points per race to the winner ?? so it only takes a crash or car failure and you can turn it around, but hamilton and mercedes are like hand in glove smooth and tight fitting ??

but like i said the ferrari's for the first time this season looked fast but we will not know until the next race ?? and if it was the ferrari's team getting it right or just a blimp by hamilton and the car needed rebuilding quick after the crash by mercedes mechanic's ?? so lets hope the the rest of the season that there could be a challenge to hamilton and the mercedes because its getting boring watching one car just flying around the track without a challenge
 
Good article by Joleon Palmer...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48583803

I, perhaps unsurprisingly, totally agree with him.

The story isn't the penalty, the story is that Vettel cracked under pressure, again.


Some quotes...

If Vettel hadn't cracked on lap 48, we would have been talking about his amazing weekend drive, as opposed to this now controversial result. But he did crack, broke the rules, and paid the price.

Where Vettel ended up being genius was with his diversion tactics after the race - the pantomime smoke and mirrors of the tantrum, the meltdown, and then the eventual cheek of switching the final position markers with Hamilton in parc ferme.

It endeared him to the crowd, most of whom were Ferrari fans in Canada, and were disappointed the penalty had decided the outcome of the race. Everybody was.

But Vettel's actions ensured the talking point was the penalty, rather than the reason for it - the error from Vettel.

This was no small error. He was the only driver in the entire Grand Prix to cut the Turn Three/Four chicane. And he did so when he had his rival so close behind him as well for the lead of the race.

The last time the leader threw the race away on his own, that man was Vettel. That was also the last time Vettel had pole position - 17 races ago in Hockenheim.

He's exceptionally talented as a driver, his pole lap was brilliant and he had the race in the bag in Montreal. But this is a worryingly repetitive trend for Vettel that none of the other top drivers have had.

Indeed, Vettel threw away the Canadian Grand Prix in 2011, in very different circumstances, but a similar manner on the last lap, under moderate pressure from Jenson Button. Back then the Red Bull car was dominant enough to ensure Vettel rarely had a lot of pressure to deal with.

Now at Ferrari, this apparent flaw is being exposed repeatedly and that should be the story of the race. Another mistake from Vettel from the lead, rather than the penalty that was correctly applied to him.
 
1.618034 said:
Good article by Joleon Palmer...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48583803

I, perhaps unsurprisingly, totally agree with him.

The story isn't the penalty, the story is that Vettel cracked under pressure, again.


Some quotes...

If Vettel hadn't cracked on lap 48, we would have been talking about his amazing weekend drive, as opposed to this now controversial result. But he did crack, broke the rules, and paid the price.

Where Vettel ended up being genius was with his diversion tactics after the race - the pantomime smoke and mirrors of the tantrum, the meltdown, and then the eventual cheek of switching the final position markers with Hamilton in parc ferme.

It endeared him to the crowd, most of whom were Ferrari fans in Canada, and were disappointed the penalty had decided the outcome of the race. Everybody was.

But Vettel's actions ensured the talking point was the penalty, rather than the reason for it - the error from Vettel.

This was no small error. He was the only driver in the entire Grand Prix to cut the Turn Three/Four chicane. And he did so when he had his rival so close behind him as well for the lead of the race.

The last time the leader threw the race away on his own, that man was Vettel. That was also the last time Vettel had pole position - 17 races ago in Hockenheim.

He's exceptionally talented as a driver, his pole lap was brilliant and he had the race in the bag in Montreal. But this is a worryingly repetitive trend for Vettel that none of the other top drivers have had.

Indeed, Vettel threw away the Canadian Grand Prix in 2011, in very different circumstances, but a similar manner on the last lap, under moderate pressure from Jenson Button. Back then the Red Bull car was dominant enough to ensure Vettel rarely had a lot of pressure to deal with.

Now at Ferrari, this apparent flaw is being exposed repeatedly and that should be the story of the race. Another mistake from Vettel from the lead, rather than the penalty that was correctly applied to him.
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Pretty fair analysis that
 
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