FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

[Hart of the Matter]

Yet half the posters think every non city player is shit, so on that basis he’s done a pretty good job

Never use Bluemooners as a gauge... Some still think Grealish was a bargain...

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Yet half the posters think every non city player is shit, so on that basis he’s done a pretty good job

.....and our squad valuation is way above that of our nearest (Brazil apparently). We should be strolling it...

 

[hilts]

It's been a rough ride. For me, the above is exactly why Southgate does deserve some credit. The England job is impossible. We're either embarrassingly shite or we're respectable but still shite whenever we face any opposition with a history of success. Portugal were the first to knock us out of a major tournament (that hadn't won one themselves). Iceland then marked the real despair. Croatia also added their name to the list. Southgate got the benefit of a good draw in the WC. We failed to beat Belgium (twice) and profited with easier games. Croatia was the first test and we lost it. We'd have lost to France in that final anyway though. The Euro's, as you say, he managed what no one had before other than Sir Alf and that was to beat the Germans. But another nation with a World Cup success under their belt came along and that was the writing on the wall. We came pretty close. He's done alright, better than all but 1.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Does another country with a history and love of football like ours have such a dismal record? Italy, Brazil, Argentina, France, Germany...I'm sure they have won some and lost some. But we have lost all but one outside of 1966. That's horrific. I'm not sure how you change that record? It's a weird one that shouldn't impact each new set of players in each new scenario but how can we change it?

Spain used to be known as the chokers which kind of meant England got away with it because of the 66 win. Spain have now obviously had a fair bit of success.

We really can't argue we are now the biggest underachievers of the big nations in footballing terms. Why we have consistently choked in the big tournaments is more complicated than just the managers.

England are huge chokers though.

 

[Phil1]

Never use Bluemooners as a gauge... Some still think Grealish was a bargain...

Bet you can’t find one single post that says he was a bargain.

 

[supercity88]

Of course there is……

City went into those games with major injuries, juggling 3 competitions all at the same time. The amazing performances versus Athleti left us bruised & battered & with suspensions. We then played Real off the pitch so the team selection was perfect but unbelievable bad luck, mis- fortune, even hitting the post & the ball rolling across the line on the 90th minute of 2nd leg . Running out of available right backs we got suckered.

Now you & your mate are comparing Southgate versus Roy which I said earlier would be like comparing Mark Hughes versus Pearce & we got smashed in the media for using words like ambition, project & trajectory.

Mark Hughes got us to our first semi final since 1981. He also had Robinho benched & Ched Evans up front so the comparison is startling.

It's all bollocks. You can't make excuses for Pep and City but then blame everything on Southgate. It's nonsense. The players are the ones that have to perform, and ultimately against France they didn't do enough defensively and they didn't take their chances at the other end. It happens. It's the same minor details that cost City against Real Madrid. City didn't suddenly become good because we started showing ambition. We came good because we got a shit load of cash to bring in the best players, best manager and build the best facilities. England won't start winning things because we start saying we will. They put a clock up at St George's Park counting down to this World Cup final in an attempt to have that winning mentality. It didn't work. Because we have a limited pool of players, who have to be English and major tournaments don't come around very often. Overall England have been a good side under Southgate but they've still not done enough to win.

 

[cheekybids]

It's all bollocks. You can't make excuses for Pep and City but then blame everything on Southgate. It's nonsense. The players are the ones that have to perform, and ultimately against France they didn't do enough defensively and they didn't take their chances at the other end. It happens. It's the same minor details that cost City against Real Madrid. City didn't suddenly become good because we started showing ambition. We came good because we got a shit load of cash to bring in the best players, best manager and build the best facilities. England won't start winning things because we start saying we will. They put a clock up at St George's Park counting down to this World Cup final in an attempt to have that winning mentality. It didn't work. Because we have a limited pool of players, who have to be English and major tournaments don't come around very often. Overall England have been a good side under Southgate but they've still not done enough to win.

Overall under Southgate England are a good side versus shit teams & shit versus good teams.

I can make an excuse for Pep because I’ve seen him beat good & great teams over & over.

He’s a shit coach & no one wants him to manage their club or country. If they did he’d be off.

 

[Gazza]

No mate, when you have an Irish pundit saying if you weren't given a penalty he was walking away from the game you know something is up.

So, you think the only reason that England didn't win the World Cup is because we were cheated?

 

[Crooked_rain]

Fresh approach needed. "Gary Neville's England".

The sad part is Gary Neville’s job in Spain still wasn’t as bad as Southgate at Boro. Took them from AJ established Premier League side and UEFA cup finalists down to the championship where they still haven’t recovered.

Yet Southgate is managing England.

So Neville’s England isn’t an impossibility. It’s not like the standards are set that high if Southgate got the job…

 

[halfcenturyup]

It's all bollocks. You can't make excuses for Pep and City but then blame everything on Southgate. It's nonsense. The players are the ones that have to perform, and ultimately against France they didn't do enough defensively and they didn't take their chances at the other end. It happens. It's the same minor details that cost City against Real Madrid. City didn't suddenly become good because we started showing ambition. We came good because we got a shit load of cash to bring in the best players, best manager and build the best facilities. England won't start winning things because we start saying we will. They put a clock up at St George's Park counting down to this World Cup final in an attempt to have that winning mentality. It didn't work. Because we have a limited pool of players, who have to be English and major tournaments don't come around very often. Overall England have been a good side under Southgate but they've still not done enough to win.

Naah. The two of you aren't doing yourselves any favours with this Southgate/Guardiola nonsense. If Guardiola had finished 2nd - 8th in the PL and not won the CL, he would have been out as well. At least, would have left when one of his contracts was up.

To claim that we don't criticise Guardiola when he screws up in the CL is nonsense if you have been on here after a defeat, but no-one wants him out because he has a body of work that is almost second to none and is way above expectations.

Southgate has finished 2nd - 8th in the tournaments he has entered, and was relegated in the NL, with an increasingly talented and experienced team. It is right that people question whether he is the guy to develop them further.

 

[aguero93:20]

So, you think the only reason that England didn't win the World Cup is because we were cheated?

No I think the referee was fucking awful, there's a difference. You should have had a lot more decisions.