FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

[Phil1]

Give you that, we played ok but lacked the intensity we showed in other games, happens to all teams

Well I suppose you didn’t mention City and our failure to win the CL so there’s a bit of progress...

 

[supercity88]

I’ve said I’m not judging him on winning it. I’m judging him as a coach on maximising the performance of his team.

I thought Pep got everything out of his team in the champs league last season. I thought we were the best team in it.

So for the 50th time it’s not about winning but maximising the performance of the squad.

You can't say Pep got everything out of us but Southgate didn't there's no logic or measurement to that. We should have had Real buried by the end of the first leg but we didn't. I put that on the players not Pep, the same way I put our defeat to France on the players. What would maximising the performance have looked like for England? Winning it? Losing to Morocco? Losing to the reigning champions and now finalists?

He came into the job on the back of a group stage exit in 2014 and an elimination from Euro 2016 by Iceland. He took that side to a WC semi final - look back at the squad. It wasn't great. He then took us to the final of the Euro's for the first time. And we've then lost to France in the quarter finals. Tactically he definitely cost England in 2018 and the Euro's, those games were there for the taking but his game management was lacking. I don't think that was the case this time around. I see it much like the Real games where we felt confident we'd beat them but ultimately didn't.

 

[Gazza]

Give you that, we played ok but lacked the intensity we showed in other games, happens to all teams

But it still negates your theory nonetheless.

 

[Crouchinho]

I think Southgate may be over achieving the more I look on it. His record & his record and record in major competitions is very good.

We have tried the supposedly world class routes & foreign routes before, Sven, Capello, big thinkers like Hoddle and Master motivators like Keegan, Robson and El Tel etc

We just fail as a nation. When you compare our squads to the 90s and 2000s its no way as talented as it was then. Nobody raves at Pickford like they did with Seaman, nobody raves at our full backs like they did with Cole or Neville, same with centre backs Stones and Macguire compared to Terry and Ferdinand. Nobody creams themselves over our midfield like they did with Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes and nobody bigs Foden up much as Gazza. Even Kane lags behind Rooney and Shearer for plaundits.

So are we punching above our weight? Did we fail last decade or two moreso than this? I really don't know what the answer is anymore with England! All I know is 60 years of winning sod all and we think a fix would be sacking a boss.

 

[Gazza]

I'm not sure Pep would make a great England manager. There's very little time to work on tactics and I am not sure his man management style would suit. He seems to get a lot out of players and keeps them happy by using a small squad so that everyone plays, and being ruthless but fair by letting people leave if they're not happy.

I don't think that works when you have to deal with the players you have available. It's been said a few times that some of the ex-England players are absolutely incredulous about the fact that the squad all get on and are enjoying playing for England. That's definitely something that Southgate is really good at. He's also great at the crap that floats around the England manager's job, and I doubt Pep would have the patience for it.

I'd be gutted if Southgate was at City, but I think there's a reason why England have got a lot better under his management. I think he'd benefit from someone beside him that is better at reading the game, and coming up with solutions when there are problems, but I don't think it's the same job as club management.

I think Zlatko Dalić (Croatian team manager) would do a decent job, he lifted their team above the sum of its parts.

 

[tweety]

I don't expect England to win every tournament they enter, what I expect is that they have a go and not play the percentage game that is the hallmark of Southgate. Please resign.

 

[BlueHammer85]

But it still negates your theory nonetheless.

No manager for England will get us playing with intensity, attacking, ‘giving it a go’, playing players that will please everyone, playing a formation that will please everyone for every game

Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and could go on to win the WC

 

[Gazza]

I don't expect England to win every tournament they enter, what I expect is that they have a go and not play the percentage game that is the hallmark of Southgate. Please resign.

Resign or re-sign?

 

[supercity88]

I think Southgate may be over achieving the more I look on it. His record & his record and record in major competitions is very good.

We have tried the supposedly world class routes & foreign routes before, Sven, Capello, big thinkers like Hoddle and Master motivators like Keegan, Robson and El Tel etc

We just fail as a nation. When you compare our squads to the 90s and 2000s its no way as talented as it was then. Nobody raves at Pickford like they did with Seaman, nobody raves at our full backs like they did with Cole or Neville, same with centre backs Stones and Macguire compared to Terry and Ferdinand. Nobody creams themselves over our midfield like they did with Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes and nobody bigs Foden up much as Gazza. Even Kane lags behind Rooney and Shearer for plaundits.

So are we punching above our weight? Did we fail last decade or two moreso than this? I really don't know what the answer is anymore with England! All I know is 60 years of winning sod all and we think a fix would be sacking a boss.

I think, on the basis that he wasn't able to commit his future immediately, we have to part company. He's taken a battering from the media despite our achievements. He mentioned the loss to Hungary at Wolves. He'll be burdened by the past too much to steer us forwards, he has to go now. He's done a good job in my opinion. He won a penalty shootout. He took us to a final. It's better than most and there were some fun times for England fans.

The options out there seem to be:

Potter - not leaving Chelsea
Howe - not leaving Newcastle
Cooper - could leave Forest, won the U17 World Cup
Gerrard - just no
Lampard - no again
Pochettino - will constantly be accused of never winning anything - can he handle it?
Tuchel - not particularly likeable and I can't see him getting on with the FA but a great option. It would be so very English for a German to come in and bring success.

 

[cheekybids]

You can't say Pep got everything out of us but Southgate didn't there's no logic or measurement to that. We should have had Real buried by the end of the first leg but we didn't. I put that on the players not Pep, the same way I put our defeat to France on the players. What would maximising the performance have looked like for England? Winning it? Losing to Morocco? Losing to the reigning champions and now finalists?

He came into the job on the back of a group stage exit in 2014 and an elimination from Euro 2016 by Iceland. He took that side to a WC semi final - look back at the squad. It wasn't great. He then took us to the final of the Euro's for the first time. And we've then lost to France in the quarter finals. Tactically he definitely cost England in 2018 and the Euro's, those games were there for the taking but his game management was lacking. I don't think that was the case this time around. I see it much like the Real games where we felt confident we'd beat them but ultimately didn't.

Of course there is……

City went into those games with major injuries, juggling 3 competitions all at the same time. The amazing performances versus Athleti left us bruised & battered & with suspensions. We then played Real off the pitch so the team selection was perfect but unbelievable bad luck, mis- fortune, even hitting the post & the ball rolling across the line on the 90th minute of 2nd leg . Running out of available right backs we got suckered.

Now you & your mate are comparing Southgate versus Roy which I said earlier would be like comparing Mark Hughes versus Pearce & we got smashed in the media for using words like ambition, project & trajectory.

Mark Hughes got us to our first semi final since 1981. He also had Robinho benched & Ched Evans up front so the comparison is startling.