Trigger said:
Trig
If that FA reply was to the letter quoted by MB thay have not dealt with the behaviour of Rip Van Winkle nor the inconsitencies in Clattencoward's reffing.
Hand on in there and keep hammering the twunts.
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If that FA reply was to the letter quoted by MB thay have not dealt with the behaviour of Rip Van Winkle nor the inconsitencies in Clattencoward's reffing.
Hand on in there and keep hammering the twunts.
Montgomery Burns
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Mental_blue said:Whaheyyyyy, MB is on the case again. I applaud you sir.
However, have not your previous dealings with this organisation shown that they don't give a shit and will just send back the usual apolitical deprecating garbage?
My main dealings were with the Premier League in relation to Berbatov, albeit there was some later correspondence with the FA. However this time the issues raised are within the FA's sole jurisdiction and whilst they can give non-replies at least they can't wash their hands of things and say it's someone elses responsibility.
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Great work MB. I sent a similar, but not as eloquent, email to them on Tuesday. I'll my compare response, I'm sure they'll be word for work the same.
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Letter number 2 has now gone to the FA re Mr Vidic:
The Secretary to the Regulatory Commission
Dear Sir/Madam,
Your recent decision to charge the Manchester City player Emmanuel Adebayor with a charge of violent conduct has sparked a lively debate in footballing circles, as fans wait to see whether you intend to intervene in other cases of violent conduct that have not been seen by match officials during the game.
I write to you on behalf of the ‘FA Watch’ campaign, which is published at the following website address:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140353" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=140353</a>
In view of your decision to charge Mr Adebayor and in the interests of wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner I refer you to an incident in the second half of the Wigan v Manchester United game on 22 August 2009, when the Wigan striker Hugo Rodellega appeared to be struck by United defender Nemanja Vidic in an off the ball incident.
The Daily Mail reported (please see link below) that the referee Howard Webb did not see the incident and that as a consequence the FA were reported as saying they would look into the matter.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1208506/Vidic-left-facing-trial-television-Rodallega-slap.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -slap.html</a>
Had he seen the incident in the circumstances so described, one would normally expect a red card to have been issued by Mr Webb for violent conduct. As he did not see the incident, one would normally expect the FA to follow the matter up, especially since it was reported you would be doing so.
Please let me know whether you investigated the circumstances of the incident, and if so let me know the outcome of that investigation. Your comments will be published at the web address given above.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course.
The Secretary to the Regulatory Commission
Dear Sir/Madam,
Your recent decision to charge the Manchester City player Emmanuel Adebayor with a charge of violent conduct has sparked a lively debate in footballing circles, as fans wait to see whether you intend to intervene in other cases of violent conduct that have not been seen by match officials during the game.
I write to you on behalf of the ‘FA Watch’ campaign, which is published at the following website address:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140353" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=140353</a>
In view of your decision to charge Mr Adebayor and in the interests of wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner I refer you to an incident in the second half of the Wigan v Manchester United game on 22 August 2009, when the Wigan striker Hugo Rodellega appeared to be struck by United defender Nemanja Vidic in an off the ball incident.
The Daily Mail reported (please see link below) that the referee Howard Webb did not see the incident and that as a consequence the FA were reported as saying they would look into the matter.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1208506/Vidic-left-facing-trial-television-Rodallega-slap.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -slap.html</a>
Had he seen the incident in the circumstances so described, one would normally expect a red card to have been issued by Mr Webb for violent conduct. As he did not see the incident, one would normally expect the FA to follow the matter up, especially since it was reported you would be doing so.
Please let me know whether you investigated the circumstances of the incident, and if so let me know the outcome of that investigation. Your comments will be published at the web address given above.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course.
Fanzone Danny
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Monty I love the fact you are trying to do something and you will definitely get my support! I'm sure the next time I do Fanzone I can raise a number of issues and at least it will be heard in a wider audience, just need to think what I can say which will have the most impact!
Great work Blue!
CTID
Great work Blue!
CTID
kippaxblue76
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Montgomery Burns said:The first of what might become a series of letters has been sent to the FA in connection with 'FA Watch', a campaign to highlight the inconsistencies in the way the FA and its officials apply the rules of the game, particularly in relation to the so-called Big 4. Today's chosen subject is Robin Van Persie, simply because last Saturday's match started the whole thing off. The letter reads:
Readers of the Manchester City fan site <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bluemoon.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bluemoon.co.uk</a> have started to monitor on-field incidents in the Premier League where disciplinary action has not been taken; looking for apparent inconsistencies in the way the FA and its officials apply the rules of the game.
The campaign is entitled ‘FA watch’ and has arisen as a belief in certain quarters that the FA as an organisation are either unable or unwilling to police the laws of the game in a fair an objective manner, in so much they appear biased towards members of the so-called Big 4 clubs. The campaign will look for specific examples of such perceived bias.
The trigger for ‘FA watch’ was the media campaign which highlighted some, but not all of the recent incidents at the City of Manchester stadium at the recent Manchester City v Arsenal match. At the heart of our campaign is the simple belief that all should be treated fairly before the law, which should be applied in a consistent manner. One of the aims of the campaign is to highlight similar incidents which may have been or are in the process of being treated differently by the football authorities.
I will write to you in due course referring you to various incidents, asking for your comments. As a matter of course my letters to you will be copied to various media outlets and you are free to copy your responses to them if you so wish.
As far as this letter is concerned I will restrict myself to two incidents at the Manchester City and Arsenal game involving Robbie Van Persie, and will deal with these in chronological order.
Goal celebrations
Mr Van Persie scored an excellent equaliser early in the second half at the South Stand end of the ground, where Arsenal fans were situated. But Mr Van Persie did not go to his own fans to celebrate however, as one might have reasonably expected. As the TV footage showed, he went instead towards the Manchester City fans in the opposite corner in a somewhat aggressive fashion, allegedly shouting, and it pains me to write this, ‘fuck off, fuck off, you bastards’. If that were not bad enough he left the field of play to do this. A complaint has been made to Greater Manchester Police in relation to Mr Van Persie’s conduct.
One would normally expect a yellow card to have been issued by Mr Clattenberg in the circumstances so described, but whilst he booked Mr Adebayor for his goal celebrations he did not book Mr Van Persie. In the interests of wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner I would ask why a yellow card was not issued to Mr Van Persie in this instance. Perhaps you can enlighten me on this.
More specifically:
(a) Did Mr Clattenberg see the incident?
(b) Did Mr Clattenberg make reference to this incident in his match report?
(c) If he saw the incident but did not deem it warranted a booking please explain why.
(d) If Mr Clattenberg did not see the incident, are you prepared to investigate the circumstances of the incident, using the video evidence available? If not, why not.
(e) Irrespective of the fact Manchester City fans did not riot do you think Mr Van Persie’s behaviour could have incited fans to an extent that at the very least a breach of the peace may have been committed?
Violent conduct
The circumstances surrounding Mr Adebayor’s ‘stamp’ on Mr Van Persie have been well documented, but Mr Van Persie’s role in events leading up to this have not been examined in anything like the same detail.
As the TV footage showed, Mr Van Persie made a two-footed challenge on Mr Adebayor from behind, right in front of Mr Clattenberg, who can be seen waving play on.
One would normally expect a red card to have been issued by Mr Clattenberg in the circumstances so described, but in this instance did not even award a free kick, never mind issue a card to Mr Van Persie. Once again, and in the interests wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner, I would ask why a card was not issued in this instance. Perhaps you can enlighten me on this.
More specifically:
(f) Did Mr Clattenberg see the incident?
(g) Did Mr Clattenberg make reference to this incident in his match report?
(h) If he saw the incident but did not deem it warranted a booking please explain why.
(i) If Mr Clattenberg did not see the incident, are you prepared to investigate the circumstances of the incident, using the video evidence available? If not, why not.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course. (end)
I will update this thread as and when I hear anything back.
The next incident to be raised will be Nemanja Vidic for his challenge on Rodallega the other week.
What a great post, we await with interest the reply from the FA.
blueyorkie
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Well done Monty , I too contacted the FA twice on this matter but as the previous correspondent says nothing like as eloquently. I have yet to receive the courtesy of a reply. Will post on here as soon as I get something.
I applaud you for your initiative and know you will be dogged , I wish you well and if you require any support please ask on here.
I applaud you for your initiative and know you will be dogged , I wish you well and if you require any support please ask on here.
Chippy_boy
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Marvellous stuff Monty - I admire what you are doing here.
I have to say, I genuinely believe there is an opportunity to make a difference here. But ONLY if we get the media involved. Individual letters - even as well crafted as yours - will be ignored. Some admin person will send you standard response letter type A, B or C each time and your letters won't ever pass the desk of anyone who could make a difference.
BUT - and it's a big BUT... if someone of the papers pick up on this campaign, it could really change things. The FA could not ignore it if the media start highlighting to the public what a total bunch of jerks they are.
We should remember there are 16+ clubs who's supporters are completely fucked off about this and only 4 who are happy to sit back and let it continue happen. The media might realise that it's an interesting campaign that's good for selling newspapers.
Have you contacted any of the press specifically?
What about getting other clubs forums mobilized? I am sure Spursmad (the forum) or Toffee Talk for example would have some members interested in contributing?
Does anyone have any web skills who could help by setting up a website?
Or what about an online petition calling for FA reform so that the rules can be equally and fairly applied to all clubs.
I have just had another thought - I will write to my MP about this. MP's are desperate to keep their seats at the next election and championing a populist cause like this could be very attractive. We only need 1 MP to pick this up and things could really start to change.
We cannot allow this corruption at the highest level of football to just continue forever.
I have to say, I genuinely believe there is an opportunity to make a difference here. But ONLY if we get the media involved. Individual letters - even as well crafted as yours - will be ignored. Some admin person will send you standard response letter type A, B or C each time and your letters won't ever pass the desk of anyone who could make a difference.
BUT - and it's a big BUT... if someone of the papers pick up on this campaign, it could really change things. The FA could not ignore it if the media start highlighting to the public what a total bunch of jerks they are.
We should remember there are 16+ clubs who's supporters are completely fucked off about this and only 4 who are happy to sit back and let it continue happen. The media might realise that it's an interesting campaign that's good for selling newspapers.
Have you contacted any of the press specifically?
What about getting other clubs forums mobilized? I am sure Spursmad (the forum) or Toffee Talk for example would have some members interested in contributing?
Does anyone have any web skills who could help by setting up a website?
Or what about an online petition calling for FA reform so that the rules can be equally and fairly applied to all clubs.
I have just had another thought - I will write to my MP about this. MP's are desperate to keep their seats at the next election and championing a populist cause like this could be very attractive. We only need 1 MP to pick this up and things could really start to change.
We cannot allow this corruption at the highest level of football to just continue forever.
Chippy_boy
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On a slightly different slant...
I hadn't noticed RVP left the field to celebrate. isn't that an automatic yellow card? I am pretty sure it is.
I hadn't noticed RVP left the field to celebrate. isn't that an automatic yellow card? I am pretty sure it is.
johnny crossan
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Montgomery Burns said:A draft of my proposed first letter to the FA on the lines outlined earlier is set out below. Hopefully it will be the first of many. As said, it is a draft and I would be grateful for workable suggestions that could improve it. Fire away!
The Secretary to the Regulatory Commission
Dear Sir/Madam,
Readers of the Manchester City fan site <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bluemoon.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bluemoon.co.uk</a> have started to monitor on-field incidents in the Premier League where disciplinary action has not been taken; looking for apparent inconsistencies in the way the FA and its officials apply the rules of the game.
The campaign is entitled ‘FA watch’ and has arisen as a belief in certain quarters that the FA as an organisation are unable to police the laws of the game in a fair an objective manner, in so much they appear biased towards members of the so-called Big 4 clubs. The campaign will look for specific examples of such perceived bias.
The trigger for ‘FA watch’ was the media campaign which highlighted some, but not all of the recent incidents at the City of Manchester stadium at the recent Manchester City v Arsenal match. At the heart of our campaign is the simple belief that all should be treated fairly before the law, which should be applied in a consistent manner. One of the aims of the campaign is to highlight similar incidents which may have been, or are in the process of being treated differently by the football authorities.
I will write to you in due course referring you to various incidents, asking for your comments. As a matter of course my letters to you will be copied to various media outlets and you are free to copy your responses to them if you so wish.
As far as this letter is concerned I will restrict myself to two incidents at the Manchester City and Arsenal game involving Robbie Van Persie, and will deal with these in chronological order.
Goal celebrations
Mr Van Persie scored an excellent equaliser early in the second half at the South Stand end of the ground, where Arsenal fans were situated. But Mr Van Persie did not go to his own fans to celebrate however, as one might have reasonably expected. As the TV footage showed, he went instead towards the Manchester City fans in the opposite corner in a somewhat aggressive fashion, allegedly shouting, and it pains me to write this, ‘fuck off, fuck off, you bastards’. If that were not bad enough he left the field of play to do this. A complaint has been made to Greater Manchester Police in relation to Mr Van Persie’s conduct.
One would normally expect a yellow card to have been issued by Mr Clattenberg in the circumstances so described, but whilst he booked Mr Adebayor for his goal celebrations he did not book Mr Van Persie. In the interests of wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner I would ask why a yellow card was not issued to Mr Van Persie in this instance. Perhaps you can enlighten me on this.
More specifically:
(a) Did Mr Clattenberg see the incident?
(b) Did Mr Clattenberg make reference to this incident in his match report?
(c) If he saw the incident but did not deem it warranted a booking please explain why.
(d) If Mr Clattenberg did not see the incident, are you prepared to investigate the circumstances of the incident? If not, why not.
(e) Irrespective of the fact Manchester City fans did not riot do you think Mr Van Persie’s behaviour could have incited fans to an extent that at the very least a breach of the peace may have been committed?
Violent conduct
The circumstances surrounding Mr Adebayor’s ‘stamp’ on Mr Van Persie have been well documented, but Mr Van Persie’s role in events leading up to this have not been examined in anything like the same detail.
As the TV footage showed, Mr Van Persie made a two-footed challenge on Mr Adebayor from behind, right in front of Mr Clattenberg, who can be seen waving play on.
One would normally expect a red card to have been issued by Mr Clattenberg in the circumstances so described, but in this instance did not even award a free kick, never mind issue a card to Mr Van Persie. Once again, and in the interests wishing the laws of the game to be applied in an even handed and consistent manner, I would ask why a card was not issued in this instance. Perhaps you can enlighten me on this.
More specifically:
(f) Did Mr Clattenberg see the incident?
(g) Did Mr Clattenberg make reference to this incident in his match report?
(h) If he saw the incident but did not deem it warranted a booking please explain why.
(i) If Mr Clattenberg did not see the incident, are you prepared to investigate the circumstances of the incident? If not, why not.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course.
Yours faithfully,
We could call it FA Disciplinary Fair Play Watch. And talking of the wider picture - maybe we could ask about the FA's understanding of the Fifa directive on not using video evidence to re-referee incidents clearly in the view of the referee, whether or not action was taken by the official or not.
Great letter Monty, start licking your stamp.