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[ono]

Why is the celebration treated differently if he was booked for it? Sorry if I am missing something here but the referee booked him for his goal celebration yet now he is open to a seperate charge? I think a post refers earlier includind a direct quote from the FA via email response that once a decision has been made by a ref then under FIFA rules this cannot be overturned. It is all very confusing and suggests that Ade is being charged for something other than his celebration?

Clattenburg has said he booked Ade for time-wasting. Obviously a cop out so the FA can look at the incident and decide on another ban. If he'd have indeed booked him for the celebration then the FA wouldn't be able to look at it again as he'd have already been punished for it.

So the FA have found a nice little way round it to hand out another ban or fine at the very least.

 

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[PistonBlue]

Why is the celebration treated differently if he was booked for it? Sorry if I am missing something here but the referee booked him for his goal celebration yet now he is open to a seperate charge? I think a post refers earlier includind a direct quote from the FA via email response that once a decision has been made by a ref then under FIFA rules this cannot be overturned. It is all very confusing and suggests that Ade is being charged for something other than his celebration?

Clattenburg has said he booked Ade for time-wasting. Obviously a cop out so the FA can look at the incident and decide on another ban. If he'd have indeed booked him for the celebration then the FA wouldn't be able to look at it again as he'd have already been punished for it.

So the FA have found a nice little way round it to hand out another ban or fine at the very least.

And Clettenburg DID see the incident with Ade/RVP as pictures clearly show. Another lie, another cop out.

 

[hello]

I Posted this on another topic, but it might useful to see how the FA can justify time wasting as the reson for booking.

Take a look at this replay, Goal scored 11 seconds into it, 41 seconds exactly 30 seconds after the goal clattenberg is calling him forward for his booking.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvguzCi01U[/youtube]

How the hell is that time wasting? If the FA confirm the booking was for time wasting then just about every scorer needs to be booked, as the only instance play is ready to resume in sub 30 secs are the "might get back in it type goals towards the end of games"

 

[johnny crossan]

I Posted this on another topic, but it might useful to see how the FA can justify time wasting as the reson for booking.

Take a look at this replay, Goal scored 11 seconds into it, 41 seconds exactly 30 seconds after the goal clattenberg is calling him forward for his booking.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvguzCi01U[/youtube]

How the hell is that time wasting? If the FA confirm the booking was for time wasting then just about every scorer needs to be booked, as the only instance play is ready to resume in sub 30 secs are the "might get back in it type goals towards the end of games"

has anybody clocked Ade's sprint over 100 m - world record time possibly?

 

[Dyed Petya]

To those saying they don't recall a game where time was added for goal celebrations - I have one I think you'll remember. Excessive celebrations formed part of Halsey's reasoning for allowing five minutes of injury time in the 1999 Play Off Final against Gillingham. IIRC, after each goal, the Gillingham players disappeared off behind the goal and all the way to their fans, who were miles away at the old Wembley, so it did take ages to get the game restarted. I wonder if anyone has a recording of the full match and can give us the exact times of the goals and the restarts.

What is certainly true is that generally refs don't seem to allow time for goal celebrations. For instance, five goals were scored in the second half of our game against Arsenal the other week, but the four minutes or so of injury time played can only have taken account of treatment to players and substitutions. This despite one goal being celebrated in a manner that attracted an FA charge and a booking for, the referee later insisted, time wasting. And looking at the times of the goals and restarts at Old Trafford posted in this thread, the ref clearly didn't allow for all of the time it took for the game to begin again after every goal - but he decided to do so in the case of Bellamy's equaliser, rather than allowing, say, 25 seconds for any supposed excessive element of the celebrations. Rather arbitrary to say the least.

 

[City Raider]

No action against Neville leaves the FA in a pretty tight spot if they go and find Ade guilty.

Basically the main difference between the 2 offences was the fans reaction - eg Arsenal tearing our place up. So if they find Ade guilty they are effectively saying it's only misconduct when the fans react. Take that rule to it's logical conclusion, fans hold the power - very, very dodgy...

 

[sweeps feet]

Is it just me or was there a lot more then usual extra time in last nights cup ties Stoke scored in the sixth minute of extra time when only 5 were shown and a couple of others games had over 5 minutes .Not usual 3 mins

 

[moomba]

Take a look at this replay, Goal scored 11 seconds into it, 41 seconds exactly 30 seconds after the goal clattenberg is calling him forward for his booking.

I just wish we could cross examine referees on situations like this.

 

[Mikeegrini]

I Posted this on another topic, but it might useful to see how the FA can justify time wasting as the reson for booking.

Take a look at this replay, Goal scored 11 seconds into it, 41 seconds exactly 30 seconds after the goal clattenberg is calling him forward for his booking.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvguzCi01U[/youtube]

How the hell is that time wasting? If the FA confirm the booking was for time wasting then just about every scorer needs to be booked, as the only instance play is ready to resume in sub 30 secs are the "might get back in it type goals towards the end of games"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lawsofthegameen.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... gameen.pdf</a> page118

This is from FIFA the official hand book The Laws Of The Game...
Celebration of a goal
While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal has been
scored, the celebration must not be excessive.
Reasonable celebrations are allowed, but the practice of choreographed
celebrations is not to be encouraged when it results in excessive time-wasting
and referees are instructed to intervene in such cases.
A player must be cautioned if:
• in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative,
derisory or infl ammatory
• he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored
• he removes his shirt or covers his head with his shirt
• he covers his head or face with a mask or other similar item
Leaving the fi eld of play to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in itself
but it is essential that players return to the fi eld of play as soon as possible.
Referees are expected to act in a preventative manner and to exercise common
sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal.
Sooooo unless running,sliding on you knees with your arms wide apart and a smile on your face is provocative even though ''it is permisable for a player to demonstrate a goal'' and we see the same actions week in and week out, Ade should not even be charged.