Fairytale of New York

So, let me get this straight:

Classic Christmas song, with a single word that 'may' be upsetting to certain homosexual men and professional offendees (AKA Snowflakes) = BAD?

Racists and sexist Gansgster Rap/Grime = GOOD?

Worlds gone mad.
Tbf a lot of the worst excesses of gangster rap are edited out too. As far as the general sexism goes in it I imagine the hand wringing protectors of the airwaves are scared to suppress gangster rap further less they stumble across the line of racial discrimination. Such is the complex web of social justice warrior-ship and third party offence that they weave.
 
So, let me get this straight:

Classic Christmas song, with a single word that 'may' be upsetting to certain homosexual men and professional offendees (AKA Snowflakes) = BAD?

Racists and sexist Gansgster Rap/Grime = GOOD?

Worlds gone mad.

The pogues approved 2nd version is aired on certain radio stations tge original on others depending on who their usual listeners are.

I have no idea if smooth fm, greatest hits radio, Radio 1 etc using the 2nd version play Gansta rap or grime, so not sure if the world has gone mad or just doing what has always happened on certain stations playing altered version of songs.
 
Grew up in the 70s and 80s and genuinely faggot was never used in east manchester that I heard, except when me gran made meatballs in gravy.

A fag was a cigarette and the most common slurd for a homosexual male was bent, puff or poofter, never really heard the word fag (not even faggot) until more the 90s when I started work and a lass who closest workmate was gay and he use to call her his fag hag.


Not saying it wasn't used and it is a terrible slur, but think it has crept into our society more recently hence why this outrage is only as recent as the last few christmas periods
 
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Grew up in the 70s and 80s and genuinely faggot was never used in east manchester that I heard, except when me gran made meatballs in gravy.

A fag was a cigarette and the most common slurd for a homosexual male was bent, puff or poofter, never really heard the word fag (not even faggot) until more the 90s when I started work on a lass who closest workmate was gay and he use to call her his fag hag.


Not saying it wasn't used and it is a terrible slur, but think it has crept into our society more recently hence why this outrage is only as recent as the last few christmas periods
Very much my recollection too. Words like faggot and dyke were only ever heard in that context on american tv shows iirc.
I've found the following homophobic reference to gays being smelly in The Hobbit by Tolkien - also tkes the piss out of dwarvism in the same song:

O! What are you seeking,
And where are you making?
The faggots are reeking,
The bannocks are baking!
O! tril-lil-lil-lolly
the valley is jolly,
ha! ha!
 
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A dyke was a dam in holland when I was young and some story book about a dutch kid who stuck his finger in one.
Tbf the dutch have always been dirty bastards with a rather laissez faire attitude to hard core porn and sex acts in general. On my last trip to Amsterdam in the 90's you can imagine my shock as I went round dozens of sex shops aghast at the availability of every sort of porn deviance. It comes as no surprise to me that stuff featuring a boy with his thumb in a dyke was considered normal. Indeed, I'd be surprised if said boy didn't get in up past his wristwatch.
 
That is simply not true.
Its an American slang term and was not recognised in the UK as a term for a male homosexual.
Maybe I've misinterpreted your post Squirty (apologies if so) but that was a major term used in the South of Manchester back in the day (ie 60's, 70's onwards etc ) and to a lesser degree 'Turtle' and 'Quent', the latter being from Quentin Crisp.
 
Maybe I've misinterpreted your post Squirty (apologies if so) but that was a major term used in the South of Manchester back in the day (ie 60's, 70's onwards etc ) and to a lesser degree 'Turtle' and 'Quent', the latter being from Quentin Crisp.
I disagree
i lived in Manchester from 1958 until 1991 and never heard the word used once to describe a homosexual. I had two friends at school who were homosexual and they never used the term.
Just to check for myself I looked up the term on Wiki where it states it’s been in use in North America since 1917 but only recently used in Britain due to media crossover. It goes on to list the usual terms used, which I certainly remembered, and also the meaning of the words fag (cigarettes/public school gofers) and faggot (food).
 
Maybe I've misinterpreted your post Squirty (apologies if so) but that was a major term used in the South of Manchester back in the day (ie 60's, 70's onwards etc ) and to a lesser degree 'Turtle' and 'Quent', the latter being from Quentin Crisp.
Definitely heard it in Stalybridge in the late 60s. I can picture a mate saying it.
 

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