FC United Thread

[M40_Sheriff]

@Mad Eyed Screamer
Just to correct you about Hyde (United)
They were formed in 1887 as Hyde FC. Due to the Great War they folded. After the war two teams joined together and became Hyde United.
Manchester City started playing reserve games at their ground around 2000.
I believe around 2010 the two clubs formed a partnership. City paid Hyde United a considerable sum of money to use the facilities. This was welcomed by Hyde who, like most clubs not funded by Manchester City Council, were cash strapped.
(We also relaid the pitch and put new seats in)
Part of the agreement was that they reverted to their original name. Hyde.
Bearing in mind that prior to all this, we had already done a bucket collection at the Etihad and raised £8,000, that plus the partnership meant Hyde (United) could wipe out £250,000 of debts ensuring their survival, losing the name United is hardly a big issue.

I have put all this to enlighten you, I could not be arsed replying to the new liar that is posting on here.
A mod recently moved some posts, fair enough but please don't move this one. It relates directly to the new liars post and is relevant to the money grabbing thieving bastards.

Hyde were also told to change their badge to blue, their home kit to blue, and all the seats in their stadium to blue. If this wasn't a major issue for them, then why since the partnership ended have Hyde gone back to wearing red, using red seats, having a red badge and using the name Hyde United...why not continue as Hyde FC in sky blue? It's not a major issue after all.

 

[Blue Mist]

Hyde were also told to change their badge to blue, their home kit to blue, and all the seats in their stadium to blue. If this wasn't a major issue for them, then why since the partnership ended have Hyde gone back to wearing red, using red seats, having a red badge and using the name Hyde United...why not continue as Hyde FC in sky blue? It's not a major issue after all.

Yeh I suppose it was a major issue. After all, going bust is a major issue to any football club that does not have Manchester City Council handing money to them.
You, as typical of your lying fans said City bought Hyde. I see now you are saying it was a partnership.
Do you just make shite up as you go along ?
Anyway. I won't be responding to you anymore The fact that you will use these replies as a badge of honour at your next fuckedup F.C. meeting is one reason why I won't.

Edit: another lie. Hyde were told by big bad City etcetera etcetera lie lie fuckin' lie.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

@Mad Eyed Screamer
Just to correct you about Hyde (United)
They were formed in 1887 as Hyde FC. Due to the Great War they folded. After the war two teams joined together and became Hyde United.
Manchester City started playing reserve games at their ground around 2000.
I believe around 2010 the two clubs formed a partnership. City paid Hyde United a considerable sum of money to use the facilities. This was welcomed by Hyde who, like most clubs not funded by Manchester City Council, were cash strapped.
(We also relaid the pitch and put new seats in)
Part of the agreement was that they reverted to their original name. Hyde.
Bearing in mind that prior to all this, we had already done a bucket collection at the Etihad and raised £8,000, that plus the partnership meant Hyde (United) could wipe out £250,000 of debts ensuring their survival, losing the name United is hardly a big issue.

I have put all this to enlighten you, I could not be arsed replying to the new liar that is posting on here.
A mod recently moved some posts, fair enough but please don't move this one. It relates directly to the new liars post and is relevant to the money grabbing thieving bastards.

Thanks - yes I knew about the partnership (as opposed to the suggestion City bought the club) but I knew a few Hyde United fans who ddidn't like the United being dropped or that blue seats were put in.
A bit like original Salford City fans objecting to the twats of 92 changing the colour from orange to red and changing the club crest too.

Oh I the sherrif has answered you

 

[Blue Mist]

Thanks - yes I knew about the partnership (as opposed to the suggestion City bought the club) but I knew a few Hyde United fans who ddidn't like the United being dropped or that blue seats were put in.
A bit like original Salford City fans objecting to the twats of 92 changing the colour from orange to red and changing the club crest too.

Oh I the sherrif has answered you

MES. I attended a lot of the City games there. It perhaps could have been handled better but the alternative was far worse than blue seats.

Further, replying to you was a way of correcting a liar. I wasn't going to give him the attention he clearly craves, unfortunately I let myself down a few posts later. Oh well, I don't suppose we'll hear from him for a couple of hours as the team he purports to hate have just kicked off

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Going back to a few points again here. The "established club" argument is a bit of a weird one. Every club has a start. You can tell me if you have the same hatred towards Curzon Ashton. Were they needed in a town like Ashton that had long standing established clubs near them like Ashton Utd, Stalybridge Celtic and Mossley. A club that has relied massively on funding from Tameside Council, an area that's a lot more deprived than Manchester City Council. I mean we need to at least be consistent with the outrage.

The Ten Acres Lane issue is relevant. 10 years ago it was wasteland, today it's still wasteland. So it's not like that land was ear marked for anything else by developers or the council. So putting it there would have benefited the community better than the Broadhurst Park site. But that was a Manchester City Council decision based on pressure applied by Manchester City Football Club.

The relationship with Moston Juniors is being repaired, it's not perfect. There's local players who were there who've gone on to join the academy. You are right though in what you've said previously about the Academy, it is an education first centre, where people go to get a BTEC and play football. This isn't a novel idea that FC Utd capitalise on. Pretty much every non-league team, and some EFL teams offer the exact same programme. Halifax, Hyde, Oldham Athletic, Marine, Bradford Park Avenue, even Stockport County are just a few that do the same programme working with an external education company.

The club isn't hostile to City really. There is the odd song here and there that might reference City but the vast majoirty of the songs that are sung are about the club, and owning the club. There's probably as many anti-City songs that get sung on a matchday as there are at Oldham, Rochdale or Bury. The fanbase is changing as well, younger fans coming in who have never cared about Premier League football or City. The same question that is being asked about our identity could surely be asked about clubs like Maine Road couldn't they, or AFC Liverpool? Is there an issue with AFC Liverpool?

People donate what they can in different ways, some donate monthly on a direct debit, soome donate as and when they can. Does it matter what you get in return? If I watch City or United or West Ham and paid £600-700 a year for the last 20 years on a season ticket i'd have spent £12,000 -£14,000 of my own money, that's excluding travel etc. Have I got anything tangible for that? I'd have a load of memories, that's it, but I'm guessing nobody on here regrets spending £1000-2000 to go to Istanbul to watch a bunch of strangers who don't know you exist win the Champions League. The fans have a choice if they choose to donate. As it stands enough want to. Will that be the case in 20 years? Who knows, but 20 years ago most said the club would be gone by Christmas 2005, so chances are it will.

The relationship with Barrow will also help the club going forward. They've been struggling to find a purpose built football facility to train at and they know there's not many about. Salford City for example still haven't managed to sort one around Greater Manchester. That relationship with Barrow should also help the local community further as well.

If anything could be changed, maybe the club could have ground shared for longer. But that always comes with issues eventually.

You again miss the point over established clubs and your own.
They were and are stand alone clubs representing their town. I'm not aware of Curzon fans singing anti City songs nor organising an FA Cup final big screen event and not allowing City fans to attend....

Now I appreciate each team.has to form at some point as City went from St Mark's to West Gorton to Gorton to Ardwick but each change they changed name, colour and forged a separate identity.
Your club was formed exclusively for United fans, same colour, same badge, the same.name but with the words jumbled around.
You became MUFC Lite. A tribute band that the majority of fans from outside your own circle didnt respect for that reason. You traded off the back of the club you had divorced yourself from.

Like Sheryl Gascoigne refusing to go back to her maiden name after divorcing Gazza, because by doing so she would become irrelevent and no longer in the media eyes. The "Gascoigne" moniker was her meal ticket in the same way the name FCUM was / is for you. Sheryl Gascoigne is only known for being the former wife of Paul Gascoigne. Yourselves are simply known as being "the club set up by disgruntled United fans in the wake of the Glazer takeover".

Thats your tag line, your identity. Had you called yourselves Manchester Rovers and played in green with a completely different badge the media interest would have lasted one week and had you been a genuine club for the community, you could have attracted rather than alienated many hundreds of City fans. You have these business breakfast meetings trying to attract businesses to support the club. You won't attract any business run by Blues for reasons mentioned above. You brush aside claims of being anti City, but your club (or your clubs fans) have purposely or not, alienated half of its community that it claims to serve. That is a problem you have to solve. The club is desperate to engage with the community, yet at the same time tells 50% of the community that you are not welcome here. Imagine all the 18th and 21st birthday parties and wedding receptions and other family / business events you are actively missing out on hosting, because City families simply won't book to hold such events at the stadium. What other business actively goes out of their way to alienate potential customers, yet scratches its head wondering how to attract greater support from local people and the business community?
Answers on a postcard to Pallet Park, Lightbowne Road, Moston......

Maine Road is a different story. Set up as a Sunday League side by supporters they have organically grown into a NWCL club and was never seen as an alternative or opposition to watching City. They don't trade off the back of City and bedecked their ground with City memorabilia and act like a City tribute act. They are a stand alone club. Last time I saw, the manager was even a Red. Can't imagine thst happening in Moston, you all kicked off a few years ago when the groundsman was a former City groundsman and Blue!

My point about how much have you chipped in over the years relates to how much you correctly quoted about Premier League prices. It's just when you add up how much you've thrown into buckets and other "save the club" campaigns over a season and on top of your season ticket price, you are close.to paying PL price for a ticket to watch an NPL game! Yet your club makes this big thing about "affordable football"!

One last point. Is the price of a season ticket plus "suggested donation" simply a way around avoiding paying taxes? I assume the donation bit is tax free where as the season ticket bit is taxable?

 

[cheekybids]

City BOUGHT Hyde United?! When did that happen?

It didn’t, it sponsored them & the deal allowed them to play their academy & reserve games there including UEFA academy champions league games. As these games were televised then City branding & sponsorship was emblazoned everywhere. Obviously this was short term as planning had started on the CFA. Its a similar arrangement that many of the women’s teams do.

 

[BridgyDids]

It didn’t, it sponsored them & the deal allowed them to play their academy & reserve games there including UEFA academy champions league games. As these games were televised then City branding & sponsorship was emblazoned everywhere. Obviously this was short term as planning had started on the CFA. Its a similar arrangement that many of the women’s teams do.

I know! I was waiting for the Sheriff to come back on this, as I knew it was bollocks, but others have.

If we did buy the club, and let’s assume we did, as per the Sheriff, then do we still own it or did we in fact sell it on? How much for? To whom?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Another way of looking at FCUM is like 4 members of a successful band splitting up. Let's call them The Stretford Enders.

The bass player (who neither wrote or sang the songs) wants to remain in the music business but the other three can't be bothered anymore.

So the bass guitarist gets a group of fellow musicians around him and the new members talk about writing their own material, but the bass player doesn't want the hassle of writing and learning new songs and starting out at the bottom and working their way up again. Instead, he wants to go straight out on tour performing all the hits (with him on vocals) The Stretford Enders made, .calling themselves The New Stretford Enders.

The other three members object and loyal fans object but out on tour they go and on average 5000 turn up at gigs across the country. Over time the band members want to write new material but the bass player asks why? The punters only want to hear the classics and are turning up in their 1000's.

One by one the band members leave but to be replaced by others. By now they are still pulling in 4000 a gig but that slowly drops to 3000. The novelty is wearing off and the band head for the festival circuit. They get a decent reception but by now even the bass player knows no one has turned up to specifically see them and that he's flogged the band to death as crowds at their own gigs are dwindling further.

With no material or an identity of their own the band is never going to attract a new crowd but simply relying on the good will of those original loyal fans trying to cling to their youth of when the original band were a force.....

There is only so many times even the loyalist of fans will pay.to watch a tribute band - but in order to make it pay the band need to be touring more and it reaches saturation point and the gigs are becoming a loss maker.
The bass player becomes bankrupt.....

 

[cheekybids]

I know! I was waiting for the Sheriff to come back on this, as I knew it was bollocks, but others have.

If we did buy the club, and let’s assume we did, as per the Sheriff, then do we still own it or did we in fact sell it on? How much for? To whom?

They class it as selling their soul despite them being a club that couldn’t wait to take a quid from anyone who’s offered just as long as they don’t have to give it back…… like rearranging games for TV money.

What a bunch of entitled cunts they are blaming it on City for objecting as if that was the reason their request failed. They want something for free & in a prime location.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

They class it as selling their soul despite them being a club that couldn’t wait to take a quid from anyone who’s offered just as long as they don’t have to give it back…… like rearranging games for TV money.

What a bunch of entitled cunts they are blaming it on City for objecting as if that was the reason their request failed. They want something for free & in a prime location.

The Ten Acres Lane site had been agreed on. But then was "mysteriously" pulled. Neither the council or City have admitted to why that happened but the rumours were City told the council it was too near to what was planned for around our campus.
The Rag Socks had stumped up £200,000 to prepare for being at TAL but had no agreement with the council that if the council pulled out they would reimburse the splitters. The money was lost and they blame that on having a shortfall on building Pallet Park, hence the need for the council to bail them out and the blame on City.for the whole having to be in Moston rather than Newton Heath -their "rightful spiritual home".....