Fernandinho - 2017/18 Performances

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Firstly I don't think Delph can fill the gap - brilliant as a stand in left back, he lacks a couple of key ingredients to be the fulcrum of our midfield. Mainly he lacks the instinct of when to release the ball. Fernandinho and similar players seem to know when to pass and also when to move into space. Sadly Delph, as good as he's been, doesn't have this and often holds onto the ball for far too long which negates space for others to work in and, if we lose the ball, results in him being out of position and scrambling back. In my opinion, the way we play now, Fernandinho despite being 32, has another 2-3 years at current levels - I think when Yaya was playing alongside him he had to do far too much extra work - this year we are seeing Kev cover so much ground as a direct comparison to Yaya (since 2014). In fact moving Kev from out wide, and adding the work rate of others - will definitely prolong Fernandinho's career. Pep knows this and I think we have seen a massive change in everyone's work rate. Long winded way of saying we are not carrying anyone.

Fernandinho will be replaced and I think looking at his current fitness and form it will buy us next season to allow someone younger to bed in. Similar to David's form allowing Bernardo to take his time to adjust to the PL and our system - Pep is one clever manager!


Can't disagree with much of that, a well thought out post. The only thing I would question is that I think you are being a tad harsh on Delph not releasing the ball. I still think he could do a reasonable job. But hey ho its all about opinions.
 
It's impossible afcourse to find a perfect copy, but anyways. You took the effort to compile the list least i can do is to cover them all. Mind that i'm looking at it from Fm, i havn't seen any games of most of these players, so it's a superficial impression to take with a grain of salt as reality might be different, i leave it to you to educate me where Fm might fall short

Savic: looks more like a ball playing defender, doesn't have so much going forward by the stats
Wiegl: couldn't find back at first, but i think you meant Weigl who is a DM for dortmund. looks like a promesing youngster but would fall short for us at this age imho, not quite there yet but one day he likely will
Fabihno: Looks very good to be fair, practily perfect replacement at young age
Llorente: not enough going forward imho, again more a ball playing defender
Torreira: couldn't find him back in Fm
Lemina: looks very good and is young, but is Juventus going to sell?
Arthur Melo: another good find at a young age

Frenkie de jong: just not a defensive midfielder imho, doesn't have what it needs in defense
Jaoa Mario: more an attacking midfielder, doesn't seem to have the required defensive skill
Nicolo barella: another one that woudl lack the defensive skill
the 3 players above are also very young, they could become different players and perhaps work on defensive skill, though i deffinatly don't see de jong ever become a good DM.


Mikel Merino: looks good, he seems to trade off a bit of defensive skill for being a better passer but that seems ok, he's fairly young too.
Fred: looks ok, but perhaps more a player for a somewhat more forward position or perhaps even the wings, think Pep would have fun with him since he seems 2 footed and skillfull enough to even play as fullback, perhaps you could train him practicly every position on the pitch and then have him as a superb option on the bench.

All in all, i have to grant it to you for atleast providing a few good options we could go for strait away and who are at an interresting age. Fabinho, Lemina, Merino and Melo look quite interresting and likely available besides that they are fairly young still. And if Fred isn't too expensive perhaps we could buy him as a toy for Pep, he might become our second Delph.
I'm guessing FM generally mimics what they are partly based on where they currently play. Mario, De Jong and Barrella are all CM/AM so it makes sense FM doesn't rate them defensively.

But in the last month or so De Jong has been started at CB. Which tells me there is a manager somewhere who trusts his defensive capabilities.

Any viewing of his game easily shows his calmness under pressure, his passing range and his great vision and movement. If he continues to play and excel at CB then the projection to DM on a passing team is easy.

Joao Mario is in my eye Dihno with a little more acceleration and attacking vision. Slightly less athletic and defensive (coz he seldom plays DM) but I'm sure he'd take to it like duck to water, or better yet like Delph to Leftback. Same with Barrella.

As for Torreira, he plays CM/DM for Sampdoria
 
I'm guessing FM generally mimics what they are partly based on where they currently play. Mario, De Jong and Barrella are all CM/AM so it makes sense FM doesn't rate them defensively.

But in the last month or so De Jong has been started at CB. Which tells me there is a manager somewhere who trusts his defensive capabilities.

Thats not nessecarily the issue, atleast when a player would do a lot of tackle's per 90 he would get a good stat for tackling no matter the position. De jong had a rather low amount of tackle's per 90 minute as ive found on one site. The problem rather with FM is that it updates the player profile's only once per year and even that can be a little dated depending on when in the developing process the stats were created by the developer, so basicly it lags behind possibly for more than a year and wouldn't yet take into account for example De jong's move to CB. Fm for that reason is only trustworthy up to some degree but it does allow to easily search trough a hughe database of players for specific skillsets. To make the best of it you must match the skills on the sheet to impressions on the player by people whio actually watched or followid him, so the note that De Jong was changed to CB deffinatly is usefull here.

Any viewing of his game easily shows his calmness under pressure, his passing range and his great vision and movement. If he continues to play and excel at CB then the projection to DM on a passing team is easy.

De jong certaintly seemed technical enough, if he can move from Cm to CB then he can do DM aswell, but i'm just not sure if he's yet on the level to play at city. He's young and young players can develop a lot on a short time and Fm might miss that, but in FM his skills overal are still to low.

Joao Mario is in my eye Dihno with a little more acceleration and attacking vision. Slightly less athletic and defensive (coz he seldom plays DM) but I'm sure he'd take to it like duck to water, or better yet like Delph to Leftback. Same with Barrella.

Yes on most of that, but not just slightly less defensive, the difference seems big enough. Same with Barella. I really wonder why we would want to sacrifice on defensive skill with a replacement to begin with. These players look like more natural CM's where defensive skill matters somewhat but where it doesn't need be so high as like with a DM.

As for Torreira, he plays CM/DM for Sampdoria

Found him, he looks like a good pick.
 
Yes on most of that, but not just slightly less defensive, the difference seems big enough. Same with Barella. I really wonder why we would want to sacrifice on defensive skill with a replacement to begin with. These players look like more natural CM's where defensive skill matters somewhat but where it doesn't need be so high as like with a DM.



Found him, he looks like a good pick.
Correction, Mario is slightly less athletic and also less defensive (poor phrasing on my part). But in fairness, I think Mario can be every bit as defensive if played in the position. He is aggressive and explosive kinda like Dihno.

I mean, it takes a bit of imagination but I can see it :)
 
Correction, Mario is slightly less athletic and also less defensive (poor phrasing on my part). But in fairness, I think Mario can be every bit as defensive if played in the position. He is aggressive and explosive kinda like Dihno.

I mean, it takes a bit of imagination but I can see it :)

Well we all have our taste's, i'm not going to agree with all youre picks eitherway, but i will agree to youre original point that finding a replacement for Fern shouldn't be too hard. Within that list there deffinatly seem to be players that could take the role or even become better at it and would be realistic targets for transfer.
 
I just don't think he is uniquely special. Clearly the system has made him look great. He's always been a very good player... He he isn't so special that he'd be hard to replace. Why do I believe this?

Simples. Watch Dihno from last season. He wasnt half this good. So clearly learning the system helped his game. There are equally talented players who can do the same.
Judging him on having to cover for Yaya, Clichy, Kolorov, Stones, and Otamendi last season is wrong imho, he was often found doing 2 or 3 peoples jobs as well as his own. With the right people around him he looks the player he is, and what's more he makes it look effortless. I don't think he will need replacing for 2 or 3 years either, as his fitness levels are so high. Need to bring in his successor soon, so that he can learn from a master.
 
Judging him on having to cover for Yaya, Clichy, Kolorov, Stones, and Otamendi last season is wrong imho, he was often found doing 2 or 3 peoples jobs as well as his own. With the right people around him he looks the player he is, and what's more he makes it look effortless. I don't think he will need replacing for 2 or 3 years either, as his fitness levels are so high. Need to bring in his successor soon, so that he can learn from a master.
People like to say this but its just not true. Yaya wasn't there for half the season ( so the Yaya excuse doesn't fly).

He simply wasn't very good because like everyone else he was learning the new system. I appreciate many would try to rewrite history but it has little to do with others.

Its the standard excuse for not blaming players folks like. "He was covering for others" or the other excuse by the superfans "its coz Pep keeps playing him in so many positions." ( I call that one the Karen excuse). Strangely, it hasn't mattered that he has played LB and CB this year. Still looked mint in all positions.


But last season Fernandihno often made a mess of his own job. Fouled unnecessarily. Was late to tackles and just liked the others, went thru the growing pain of learning the system.

Yes, others pressing better has eased his job. Just like him getting better in possession has eased the jobs of others. Its all symbiotic.

The front 5 press more which makes the defensive jobs of the back 5 easier. The back 5 improve their possession and control which conserves the energy of the front 5 and makes them more able to press efficiently the few times we don't have it.

This makes everyone better. Including Fernandihno
 
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People like to say this but its just false. Yaya wasn't there for half the season ( so the Yaya excuse doesn't fly).

He simply wasn't very good because like everyone else he was learning the new system.f I appreciate many would try to rewrite history but it has little to do with others.

Its the standard excuse for not blaming players folks like. "He was covering for others."

Fernandihno often made a mess of his own job often. Fouled unnecessarily. Was late to tackles, and just liked the others went thru the growing pain of learning the system.

Yes, others pressing better has ebased his job. Just like him getting better in possession has eased the jobs of others. Its all symbiotic.

The front 5 press more which makes the defensive jobs of the back 5 easier. The back 5 improve their possession and control which conserves the energy of the front 5 and makes them more able to press efficiently the few times we don't have it.

This makes everyone better. Including Fernandihno
I can't really be bothered to disagree, because I watched him regularly chase about covering others faults from my seat in the South Stand, if you didn't fair enough, but I said it many times last year too, its not something I just made up today. He also had to actually play both right and left back in games last year, so was not always in his natural position.

Yes, others were also learning a new way to play, and have, but others really weren't ever up to playing that way, and they've mostly gone, or they don't play regularly now. Stones and Otamendi were also hampered by not being able to rely on Vinny, and so couldn't be rotated enough, plus had the same deficiencies either side of them defensively.

Fernandhino is a special player, and we're seeing why this year, now he only has to do his job, not half the team's, he'll probably one of the first names on the team sheet for Brazil at the world cup, though I'm not sure he'll be as free to play his game for them.
 
I can't really be bothered to disagree, because I watched him regularly chase about covering others faults from my seat in the South Stand, if you didn't fair enough, but I said it many times last year too, its not something I just made up today. He also had to actually play both right and left back in games last year, so was not always in his natural position.

Yes, others were also learning a new way to play, and have, but others really weren't ever up to playing that way, and they've mostly gone, or they don't play regularly now. Stones and Otamendi were also hampered by not being able to rely on Vinny, and so couldn't be rotated enough, plus had the same deficiencies either side of them defensively.

Fernandhino is a special player, and we're seeing why this year, now he only has to do his job, not half the team's, he'll probably one of the first names on the team sheet for Brazil at the world cup, though I'm not sure he'll be as free to play his game for them.
Ok. Cool
 
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