Fernandinho - 2017/18 Performances

[Thorin Oakenshield]

We will buy a Yaya replacement in the summer and someone who can rotate with Fernandinho is the same way Gundogan and Bernardo have this season.

Weigl and Fred have been linked quite a bit recently.

I worry though will toure's replacement hit the ground running? Whoever comes in could need time to settle similar to Sane and Bernard. Which means we will be relying heavily on fernandihno next season again. I do worry about the amount of games he plays could catch up with him next season meaning we could have a situation where fernandihno is injured/exhausted and the other DM is not up to speed with the premier league.

 

[Dax777]

You will know how special Fernandinho is when he leave the team.

They way he press and being in the right place at the right time is not easy.

They way he keep the ball under pressure, the ability to spread pin point passes from the back ( He is creating scoring opportunities almost every game )


Yaya was replaced by new system and not new player, he used to be the creative spark from the middle but now Pep converted Silva and KDB to CM/CAM to create the build up from the middle.


With Fernandinho Pep is not going to change the system, he will need similar player.

The more I respond in a his thread, the more it sounds like I don't rate Dihno. That is far from the case. I just don't think his skillset are unique. They aren't.

By the way, keeping the ball under pressure isn't one of his strength. He is deceptively more skillful than you'd think. Has better vision than he gets credit for. His pressure is good, but not special. He's tackling is okay, His reading and effort are great. His one touch pass, comes and goes. His movement when we are in possession is average. He has a very good shot on him.

He is having a great season. But I also saw him last season. When most thought he needed replacing. That Fernandihno from last season is the average Dihno without the knowledge of the system.

I know folks like saying he is underrated. Actually this has become an euphemism for "he plays dm", I can't recall any good DM that this isn't said about.

As if football fans are oblivious to what a DM does. We aren't. I know what DMs do. And Dihno is a good one, perhaps the best in the league this season. But his skillset are not unique or special. They just aren't.

 

[mccity]

The more I respond in a his thread, the more it sounds like I don't rate Dihno. That is far from the case. I just don't think his skillset are unique. They aren't.

By the way, keeping the ball under pressure isn't one of his strength. He is deceptively more skillful than you'd think. Has better vision than he gets credit for. His pressure is good, but not special. He's tackling is okay, His reading and effort are great. His one touch pass, comes and goes. His movement when we are in possession is average. He has a very good shot on him.

He is having a great season. But I also saw him last season. When most thought he needed replacing. That Fernandihno from last season is the average Dihno without the knowledge of the system.

I know folks like saying he is underrated. Actually this has become an euphemism for "he plays dm", I can't recall any good DM that this isn't said about.

As if football fans are oblivious to what a DM does. We aren't. I know what DMs do. And Dihno is a good one, perhaps the best in the league this season. But his skillset are not unique or special. They just aren't.

I'm with you. I love the guy, and I'm not interested in trading him for anyone. But if we can find a way to get over Touré and Kompany then logically there's no reason why Fernandinho can't be replaced.

I think a problem may stem from people thinking about like for likes. There's no player out there that can do what Fernandinho can do better than Fernandinho, probably. But Delph can't do what Mendy can do, and we've done well enough. When Fernandinho does go, we'll hopefully just get an equally good, albeit different player.

 

[FlemishDuck]

I think a problem may stem from people thinking about like for likes. There's no player out there that can do what Fernandinho can do better than Fernandinho, probably. But Delph can't do what Mendy can do, and we've done well enough. When Fernandinho does go, we'll hopefully just get an equally good, albeit different player.

Well i think we actually want a Dm that is quite close to the skillset of Fern. There are certaintly various types of Dm, wether they are more defensive oriented or attack oriented or specialised in the passing game. Fern has a certain combination of skills that seem very usefull to us imho, this being a combination of defensive skill, skill going forward, passing abbilety and vision, and last but certaintly not least athleticism. I think that skillset is pretty much perfect for us, there are definatly more defensive oriented DM's out there with less going forward but Fern is good enough at defense an we value that skill going forward. His passing abbilety and vision gets near the level of a defensive playmaker and obviously given our passing and possesion focused style thats very important for us too. And with our pressign game and the amount of players going forward we need a rather athletic DM that can cover a lot of ground and can keep up with faster players on the counter.

Finding that similar skillset at similar level is not too hard in Europe, i think there are about 2 dozen players that can match him in skillset and quality of it. What i don't find is any player that is exceptionally above that of Ferns skills, the few dozen alternatives i could find all tend to have been picked up by top clubs. So yes Fern's skills are not so unique, you will find simmilarly good Dm's of his type playing for the likes of Juventus, PSG, Roma, Napoli or Milan. Problem is, most of those teams will unlikely want to sell.

best prospect i could find on FM was a certain "Thiago Maia", a 20 year old Brazilian that just recently moved to Lille for about 14 milllion euros. He would still need to evolve but perhaps he could become better than Fern.

 

[Dax777]

Well i think we actually want a Dm that is quite close to the skillset of Fern. There are certaintly various types of Dm, wether they are more defensive oriented or attack oriented or specialised in the passing game. Fern has a certain combination of skills that seem very usefull to us imho, this being a combination of defensive skill, skill going forward, passing abbilety and vision, and last but certaintly not least athleticism. I think that skillset is pretty much perfect for us, there are definatly more defensive oriented DM's out there with less going forward but Fern is good enough at defense an we value that skill going forward. His passing abbilety and vision gets near the level of a defensive playmaker and obviously given our passing and possesion focused style thats very important for us too. And with our pressign game and the amount of players going forward we need a rather athletic DM that can cover a lot of ground and can keep up with faster players on the counter.

Finding that similar skillset at similar level is not too hard in Europe, i think there are about 2 dozen players that can match him in skillset and quality of it. What i don't find is any player that is exceptionally above that of Ferns skills, the few dozen alternatives i could find all tend to have been picked up by top clubs. So yes Fern's skills are not so unique, you will find simmilarly good Dm's of his type playing for the likes of Juventus, PSG, Roma, Napoli or Milan. Problem is, most of those teams will unlikely want to sell.

best prospect i could find on FM was a certain "Thiago Maia", a 20 year old Brazilian that just recently moved to Lille for about 14 milllion euros. He would still need to evolve but perhaps he could become better than Fern.

I think the mistake is hoping the skillset is exactly like Dihno's doesn't have to be. Here is a preliminary list of players I think can all comfortably take over from Dihno if given 1 year in the system.

I'll start with those we've somewhat been linked to then go on a wider net.

Linked Already
Savic
Wiegl
Fabihno

Other DMs who can be fantastic in that role
Marcus Llorente
Lucas Torreira
Lemina
Arthur Melo*

Other non current DMs who'd be fantastic
Frenkie De Jong*
Jaoa Mario*
Nicolo Barella
Mikel Merino
Fred*

 

[FlemishDuck]

I think the mistake is hoping the skillset is exactly like Dihno's doesn't have to be. Here is a preliminary list of players I think can all comfortably take over from Dihno if given 1 year in the system.

It's impossible afcourse to find a perfect copy, but anyways. You took the effort to compile the list least i can do is to cover them all. Mind that i'm looking at it from Fm, i havn't seen any games of most of these players, so it's a superficial impression to take with a grain of salt as reality might be different, i leave it to you to educate me where Fm might fall short

Savic: looks more like a ball playing defender, doesn't have so much going forward by the stats
Wiegl: couldn't find back at first, but i think you meant Weigl who is a DM for dortmund. looks like a promesing youngster but would fall short for us at this age imho, not quite there yet but one day he likely will
Fabihno: Looks very good to be fair, practily perfect replacement at young age
Llorente: not enough going forward imho, again more a ball playing defender
Torreira: couldn't find him back in Fm
Lemina: looks very good and is young, but is Juventus going to sell?
Arthur Melo: another good find at a young age

Frenkie de jong: just not a defensive midfielder imho, doesn't have what it needs in defense
Jaoa Mario: more an attacking midfielder, doesn't seem to have the required defensive skill
Nicolo barella: another one that woudl lack the defensive skill
the 3 players above are also very young, they could become different players and perhaps work on defensive skill, though i deffinatly don't see de jong ever become a good DM.

Mikel Merino: looks good, he seems to trade off a bit of defensive skill for being a better passer but that seems ok, he's fairly young too.
Fred: looks ok, but perhaps more a player for a somewhat more forward position or perhaps even the wings, think Pep would have fun with him since he seems 2 footed and skillfull enough to even play as fullback, perhaps you could train him practicly every position on the pitch and then have him as a superb option on the bench.

All in all, i have to grant it to you for atleast providing a few good options we could go for strait away and who are at an interresting age. Fabinho, Lemina, Merino and Melo look quite interresting and likely available besides that they are fairly young still. And if Fred isn't too expensive perhaps we could buy him as a toy for Pep, he might become our second Delph.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Such an underrated player. Does so much mopping up work without much notice. A bit like Barry but with more mobility. Love the guy to bits. But he is now 32 and can't last forever despite being very fit and having a good injury record. For me he is the most difficult player in the first team to replace. Yaya sadly not up to it anymore. Was wondering if Delph who is about 4 yrs younger could fill that gap for a few seasons.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Was wondering if Delph who is about 4 yrs younger could fill that gap for a few seasons.

He could, but i don't expect him to be as good at it as Fern. Granted he suprised people before with positional change, but you shouldn't count on it, not when the team has deep pockets and can easily look out for a replacement that could be an improvement. More ideal would be a player of practicly the same level as Fern at a relative young age.

 

[Mr HJ]

Such an underrated player. Does so much mopping up work without much notice. A bit like Barry but with more mobility. Love the guy to bits. But he is now 32 and can't last forever despite being very fit and having a good injury record. For me he is the most difficult player in the first team to replace. Yaya sadly not up to it anymore. Was wondering if Delph who is about 4 yrs younger could fill that gap for a few seasons.

Firstly I don't think Delph can fill the gap - brilliant as a stand in left back, he lacks a couple of key ingredients to be the fulcrum of our midfield. Mainly he lacks the instinct of when to release the ball. Fernandinho and similar players seem to know when to pass and also when to move into space. Sadly Delph, as good as he's been, doesn't have this and often holds onto the ball for far too long which negates space for others to work in and, if we lose the ball, results in him being out of position and scrambling back. In my opinion, the way we play now, Fernandinho despite being 32, has another 2-3 years at current levels - I think when Yaya was playing alongside him he had to do far too much extra work - this year we are seeing Kev cover so much ground as a direct comparison to Yaya (since 2014). In fact moving Kev from out wide, and adding the work rate of others - will definitely prolong Fernandinho's career. Pep knows this and I think we have seen a massive change in everyone's work rate. Long winded way of saying we are not carrying anyone.

Fernandinho will be replaced and I think looking at his current fitness and form it will buy us next season to allow someone younger to bed in. Similar to David's form allowing Bernardo to take his time to adjust to the PL and our system - Pep is one clever manager!

 

[kaz7]

Fernandinho to City TV: "I think this is my best season so far. The consistency I have had this season for me is very important. I try to play at same level every game."