Fernandinho

[LHarper]

Who would you rather have attacking Yaya with Fernandinho covering or Fernandinho with Yaya covering? I know which I would chose. I accept he his a good dribbler but like I said previously we don't need him to attack we're more than covered in that department, I wouldn't at all be upset if he was used in a similar role to how Busquets is for Barca.

So you don't need Fernandinho to attack because we are covered in that department but you would have Yaya attack? What's the difference?

I don't think we'll see one exclusively hold and one attack but rather a balance between the two once they get used to playing together.

In my opinion, Fernandinho will be a lot better at the pressing game than Yaya, who would more likely sweep behind the front 5.

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

So you don't need Fernandinho to attack because we are covered in that department but you would have Yaya attack? What's the difference?

I don't think we'll see one exclusively hold and one attack but rather a balance between the two once they get used to playing together.

In my opinion, Fernandinho will be a lot better at the pressing game than Yaya, who would more likely sweep behind the front 5.

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

 

[toffee balls]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

 

[LHarper]

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

I seriously hope you're right about Rodwell, if he can stay fit enough and continue his end of season form then he will be really useful in the squad. I actually agree regarding the CL this season, I think we lacked the mobility of a player like Fernandinho last season, it would be interesting to see how we do with a more energetic and high pressing game and I actually would prefer Yaya sat deeper in Xabi Alonso role, more of a deep lying playmaker, it would give the opposition all kinds of headaches as to whether push high and press us on the ball or let us dictate the play (two contrasting styles of play from the same midfield). I'm sure Manuel has a better idea about these things than we do though haha.

 

[lunebleu]

I think Rodwell is a better player than this guy-----but there remains the inevitable 'If'

 

[LHarper]

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

I seriously hope you're right about Rodwell, if he can stay fit enough and continue his end of season form then he will be really useful in the squad. I actually agree regarding the CL this season, I think we lacked the mobility of a player like Fernandinho last season, it would be interesting to see how we do with a more energetic and high pressing game and I actually would prefer Yaya sat deeper in Xabi Alonso role, more of a deep lying playmaker, it would give the opposition all kinds of headaches as to whether push high and press us on the ball or let us dictate the play (two contrasting styles of play from the same midfield). I'm sure Manuel has a better idea about these things than we do though haha.

I really like Rodwell and hope he can stay fit for a long period of time.

With Malaga, Pellegrini did really well keeping defensive discipline while allowing his teams to play attractive attacking football. Ignacio Camacho became a linchpin in his midfield as a defensive holding player and perhaps he has the role in mind for Yaya?

I think we'll see a very flexible approach to his formations in the Champions League - lots of creativity but without being detrimental to the defence.

 

[Vienna_70]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

 

[bluethunder]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

garcia and barry failed to perform at the santiogo bernabue. yaya was playing further up the pitch. the team lacked an engine in midfield, we had no counter attack capability until dzeko came on.

dortmund like to press high up the pitch, last season we were allergic to teams who press high, think sunderland, stoke, everton. hopefully pellegrini will know how to deal with teams who press high.

we should've done better against ajax.