Fernandinho

[daztrueblue91]

Sorry guys but I though Fernandinho had a poor game today. A lot of his passes were too under-hit or played behind the player and at times Delph made him look average. .

Had one of his better passing performances so far actually. 90% of 62 passes completed, he usually averages in the 80%s. Fernandinho and Yaya trampled all over Villa for most of the game and that is one of the big reasons we had 67% possession... unfortunately we couldn't score more than 2 goals from 21 chances, which is a bit farcical really but nothing new.

I didn't expect his stats to be that high TBH. I just think at times he had the vision to pick out the right pass which would have set up a quick attack but passed it behind the player so the move didn't materialise. One thing I will say though is that we are starting to dominate midfields whilst playing with 2 in midfield and that makes the defensive work Fernandinho does a lot more impressive considering he is playing with Yaya.

 

[mammutly]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

 

[LoveCity]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

He's not a playmaker, for a central midfielder he is pretty creative considering he was never advertised as a deep-lying playmaker like Pirlo is. Did you see his assist for Dzeko against Wigan? Would Barry or De Jong have been able to do that?

You're pretty determined not to like him much...

 

[FantasyIreland]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

In the same way Cleverly is similar to Ozil.

 

[bluethunder]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

the job of the holding midfielder is to not do much on-the ball. most of fernandinho's work is off-the ball. you cannot appreciate his work if you know nothing about the defensive side of football.

 

[ws01]

IIRC he had another one of those brilliant quick intercept passes he made against the Rags.

His speed and decisiveness in transition is fantastic. Naturally though a lot of the work he does is going to go unnoticed & unappreciated.

You can see why they payed what they do for him. Class and intelligence in deep lying positions is hard to come by and in high demand these days. Also his complementary effect on Yaya's game makes his value two-fold.

He's a bargain compared to Fellaini, that's for sure.

 

[andrewmswift]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

oh yay, you again

 

[FredTilson]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

I think you are doing a great dis service to Garcia there. He is way better than that. Iniesta called him the best player he has ever played with. What's puny Fernandinho in front of him.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

Most of the time I shudder at some of the observations made on blue moon.

This would be one of those times.

 

[BusterPhillips]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

I'm assuming you're pissed, an idiot or trying to get some attention.

 

[oldius]

IIRC he had another one of those brilliant quick intercept passes he made against the Rags.

His speed and decisiveness in transition is fantastic. Naturally though a lot of the work he does is going to go unnoticed & unappreciated.

You can see why they payed what they do for him. Class and intelligence in deep lying positions is hard to come by and in high demand these days. Also his complementary effect on Yaya's game makes his value two-fold.

He's a bargain compared to Fellaini, that's for sure.

Perfect post

 

[Grieffymcfcctid]

dont bite my head off, but i dont rate him at all, hopefully improves a lot an proves me wrong

 

[Centurions]

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

the job of the holding midfielder is to not do much on-the ball. most of fernandinho's work is off-the ball. you cannot appreciate his work if you know nothing about the defensive side of football.

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

I'm assuming you're pissed, an idiot or trying to get some attention.

-- Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:32 am --

Most of the time he picks the easy pass, which he does neatly but it achieves very little. In that respect he is similar to Garcia

Most of the time I shudder at some of the observations made on blue moon.

This would be one of those times.

All of the above and more...

-- Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:32 am --

 

[mammutly]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

Drawing a comparison between Jo and Fernandinho because they are both Brazilian is akin to doing the same between Guinness and Lager because they are both beers.

 

[shevtheblue]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

There is a reason he wasn't in the Brazil squads, who watches Ukrainian football? Nobody is expecting him to run past five players and do step overs, he intercepts and gets the ball to the game winners and does that excellently.

 

[mammutly]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

Drawing a comparison between Jo and Fernandinho because they are both Brazilian is akin to doing the same between Guinness and Lager because they are both beers.

Enough with the obfuscation already! I was comparing the attitudes of the forum, not the players. If anyone cares to refer back, Jo was gifted similar superstar status in the absence of superstar performances.

But, as I said, I am not comparing Jo the player with Fernandinho the player.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Enough with the obfuscation already! I was comparing the attitudes of the forum, not the players. If anyone cares to refer back, Jo was gifted similar superstar status in the absence of superstar performances.

But, as I said, I am not comparing Jo the player with Fernandinho the player.

I know you were referring to the attitude of the Forum, but I don't think the fact they are both Brazilian has entered anyone's head in terms of dealing with them both collectively in a particular way.

It's not like either of them are archetypal Brazilian players. I don't think anyone expects Fernandinho to be a "Brazilian" asset to our team, quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[mammutly]

Enough with the obfuscation already! I was comparing the attitudes of the forum, not the players. If anyone cares to refer back, Jo was gifted similar superstar status in the absence of superstar performances.

But, as I said, I am not comparing Jo the player with Fernandinho the player.

I know you were referring to the attitude of the Forum, but I don't think the fact they are both Brazilian has entered anyone's head in terms of dealing with them both collectively in a particular way.

It's not like either of them are archetypal Brazilian players. I don't think anyone expects Fernandinho to be a "Brazilian" asset to our team, quite the opposite, in fact.

If you remove all reference to Brazil, the essential point remains. I was merely using the fact of them both being Brazilian to contextualize the comparison more fully.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Enough with the obfuscation already! I was comparing the attitudes of the forum, not the players. If anyone cares to refer back, Jo was gifted similar superstar status in the absence of superstar performances.

But, as I said, I am not comparing Jo the player with Fernandinho the player.

I know you were referring to the attitude of the Forum, but I don't think the fact they are both Brazilian has entered anyone's head in terms of dealing with them both collectively in a particular way.

It's not like either of them are archetypal Brazilian players. I don't think anyone expects Fernandinho to be a "Brazilian" asset to our team, quite the opposite, in fact.

If you remove all reference to Brazil, the essential point remains. I was merely using the fact of them both being Brazilian to contextualize the comparison more fully.

Given the fact you used the term "Brazilian" three times in your original post, I would suggest it was fairly intrinsic to the point you were advancing ;-)