Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

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jollylescott said:
I am finding the criticism towards both Soriano and Txiki hard to justify.

My view of Soriano is that his brief is to move City forward from a business perspective. By any measure this has been a resounding success. City are poised to overtake Bayern in terms of revenue. Bayern are currently fifth on a world wide basis and Tom Glick expects City to overtake Bayern in the next 12 months. Soriano is also overseeing the amazing development of the Etihad environs, including the stadium expansion.

I am very confident that under Soriano's leadership the world wide brand recognition of City will grow exponentially and that in seasons to come City will be one of the leading sports brands in the world.

As Director of Football Txiki occupies a role that many of the leading European teams now utilise. He drafted in MP, and delivered The Beast, Fernandinho, Navas and Jovetic. In Negredo and Fernandinho he has signed two players who could well end up as City legends. Despite all the criticism, it is the best I have seen Silva, Nasri, and Kun play since they came to City. When those three are on the park and firing, City's play is sublime. MP has to be given credit for this.

Often with City fans they perceive the glass as half empty rather than half full. Football reflects life. There are always ups and downs. In my view the big picture is all positive.

I am sure that a couple of away victories will sway many of the Blue Mooners around very quickly!
It certainly is hard to justify. They're very capable guys, not clowns or buffoons or any number of the names they've been called. Soriano's job is quite easy to be honest, our revenues have been rocketing since the takeover, particularly in the last couple of years, he could sit in his chair doing fuck all for a year and our revenues would grow. However, he seems to be making a load of commercial deals and doing more than enough. His record at Barcelona already more than demonstrates his ability. Now Txiki's case is more debatable. I think it all hinges on how Pellegrini turns out. They made a hero call (to use poker parlance - hero calls being my very favourite move in poker as well) in Pep at Barcelona. Have they made it here? Jury's still out on that. I'm going to say no. Pellegrini might yet be a moderate success, but is he going to be a Pep at Barcelona? I've already made my mind up. Pellegrini is not going to dominate English football plus Europe.
 
Skashion said:
Pellegrini is not going to dominate English football plus Europe.

The league's too competitive for anyone to dominate it. Barring a changes of ownership at Spurs/Liverpool, I expect next season will be an even tougher league title to win than this one.

I also don't think that the appointment of Pellegrini can be compared to that of Pep. Pep came with zero track record and was a very calculated risk. Pellegrini was arguably the best available manager of the type City wanted this summer. Certainly his track record was better than the younger coaches like De Boer and Laudrup.
 
BillyShears said:
Skashion said:
Pellegrini is not going to dominate English football plus Europe.

The league's too competitive for anyone to dominate it. Barring a changes of ownership at Spurs/Liverpool, I expect next season will be an even tougher league title to win than this one.

I don't think that Baconface's record at the swamp helps your argument one little bit.
 
I'm no cynic said:
BillyShears said:
Skashion said:
Pellegrini is not going to dominate English football plus Europe.

The league's too competitive for anyone to dominate it. Barring a changes of ownership at Spurs/Liverpool, I expect next season will be an even tougher league title to win than this one.

I don't think that Baconface's record at the swamp helps your argument one little bit.
The fact he's no longer there might, though.
 
I'm no cynic said:
BillyShears said:
Skashion said:
Pellegrini is not going to dominate English football plus Europe.

The league's too competitive for anyone to dominate it. Barring a changes of ownership at Spurs/Liverpool, I expect next season will be an even tougher league title to win than this one.

I don't think that Baconface's record at the swamp helps your argument one little bit.

It strengthens my argument. Ferguson dominated a league in which the rags were the financial super powers for most of it. The competition now in comparison with 10 years ago is very different and much more intense.

Even on a player acquisition level ... you've got clubs like Spurs and Liverpool who aren't playing CL football being able to scout and attract top players like Coutinho, Eriksen, Lamela etc.

Who knows though ... maybe Skashion's right and Pellegrini won't dominate English or European football, but someone else in England will. For my money it can only be Chelsea/Mourinho then. Nobody else has the resources and the nous to get so far in front that they begin to dominate.
 
We judging them by our results on the pitch or off it? Because before they arrived we won the fa cup followed by the title, since then, bugger all.
 
hgblue said:
We judging them by our results on the pitch or off it? Because before they arrived we won the fa cup followed by the title, since then, bugger all.

Considering neither one has completed a full season in their roles it might be a bit tricky for them to have overseen any success yet.
 
BillyShears said:
I'm no cynic said:
BillyShears said:
The league's too competitive for anyone to dominate it. Barring a changes of ownership at Spurs/Liverpool, I expect next season will be an even tougher league title to win than this one.

I don't think that Baconface's record at the swamp helps your argument one little bit.

It strengthens my argument. Ferguson dominated a league in which the rags were the financial super powers for most of it. The competition now in comparison with 10 years ago is very different and much more intense.

Even on a player acquisition level ... you've got clubs like Spurs and Liverpool who aren't playing CL football being able to scout and attract top players like Coutinho, Eriksen, Lamela etc.

Who knows though ... maybe Skashion's right and Pellegrini won't dominate English or European football, but someone else in England will. For my money it can only be Chelsea/Mourinho then. Nobody else has the resources and the nous to get so far in front that they begin to dominate.

Chelsea have also been a financial superpower since 2003 when Abramovich bought that club but it still didn't stop five more titles going to the swamp.
 
I'm no cynic said:
Chelsea have also been a financial superpower since 2003 when Abramovich bought that club but it still didn't stop five more titles going to the swamp.

United have been a financial superpower since the advent of the PL. I'm not entirely sure what the point is you're trying to make mate.
 
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