Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Hope Mancini does get the Italian job and makes a success of it. Has fuck all to do with us, people need to get over him. Remember his time fondly or not fondly and move on.

I do too. As much as I mock him for being an unemployable twat I can't help but have some affection for the success he brought us. I've said before that he will have his place in our history. The bad will diminish with time.

I do find it fascinating though that such a decorated coach has been passed up for so many big jobs this summer. To me it reinforces the idea that he brings as many problems as he does solutions hence why PSG, Barca, Chelsea, United, Roma, Madrid, Bayern,
Etc didn't consider him.

Always felt his next stop would be the Italian national team. Think he may be more suited to that job than a club one.

 

[hgblue]

So those moaning are to be written off as pro-Mancini idiots who now want the team to lose to prove a point on the internet are they? You people actually believe that? People are moaning because we've failed to sign a top quality centre back (our most obvious weakness being our defence without Kompany), we've let the only decent holding midfielder we had go without replacing him (Fernandinho is not a holding midfielder), our defending from set pieces at Cardiff was a shambles after the system was stupidly changed from zonal to man marking, and we've just produced the most insepid home League performance since Hughes was in charge. Hull City's midfield had a fucking field day against us, so Christ knows how we'll cope against Champs League quality sides when we play them. If people pointing these uncomfortable truths out is annoying some of you, well so be it. By the way, I was NOT pro-Mancini.

 

[waspish]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

I would take 3rd right now. Wonder what the powers that be would think of that.....

Me too..

Seen more backbone and ambition in a pancake.

Early days I'm just going of 3 games and I presume this is how Pellegrini sets his sides up If so even with Kompany away from home we will ship goals. Chelsea will win the league and the reasoning is the way Mourinho sets his sides up, a good and solid defence will win more trophies more than a attacking side..

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

All the happy clappers being at the new managers throat and the Spanish duos smacks of childishness. Or hoping for failure to prove their point.

They should grow the fuck up, the handwringing after 3 games (one of which was a 10/10 performance) is sad as fuck.

Don't the people still sneering at Mancini need to grow up too?

I'd say the vast majority on blue moon myself included need to grow up. Some just have more mental growing to do than others. :)

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

So those moaning are to be written off as pro-Mancini idiots who now want the team to lose to prove a point on the internet are they? You people actually believe that? People are moaning because we've failed to sign a top quality centre back (our most obvious weakness being our defence without Kompany), we've let the only decent holding midfielder we had go without replacing him (Fernandinho is not a holding midfielder), our defending from set pieces at Cardiff was a shambles after the system was stupidly changed from zonal to man marking, and we've just produced the most insepid home League performance since Hughes was in charge. Hull City's midfield had a fucking field day against us, so Christ knows how we'll cope against Champs League quality sides when we play them. If people pointing these uncomfortable truths out is annoying some of you, well so be it. By the way, I was NOT pro-Mancini.

I'm not annoyed hg. I want you and Marv to embrace your fears. What will be will be. Nothing we can do now but sit back and hope that MP is more Pep and less Hodgson!

 

[daztrueblue91]

Above Mancini, yes. But below Khaldoon Mubarak. He was a big fan of Mancini's, and would have taken a lot of convincing. They wouldn't have been able to just sack Mancini without his approval.

But people always seem to ignore Khaldoon's involvement and find a scapegoat elsewhere. First it was Marwood and now it's Txiki and Ferran.

I highly doubt it was Marwood's decision to tighten the purse strings last summer. Just like the decision to sack a manager has to come from the top. Regardless of whether Khaldoon wanted Mancini to stay he still made the decision to sack him.

But didn't he bring those two in - football people - to make football-based decisions? In which case, he had to back or act on the advice of Txiki and Ferran, as that's what he employs them to do. Hence why, if Pellegrini doesn't work out, he'd most likely hold them to account (and in turn, the Sheikh might hold Khaldoon responsible!).

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

 

[Drewmanc]

Had the chance to get to chat to an old boy who's best mates with Bernard Halford and head of a supporters branch and I asked him about Mancini - he said almost everyone at the club was rubbed up the wrong way by Mancini such was his arrogance/ignorance to anybody's else's feelings and thoughts and evidently was the eventual reason for him being dismissed.

BUT

He also said behind closed doors a lot of people did recognise that Mancinis autocratic approach was needed due to years of half arsed slap dash management and many would have kept him on - the main reason being they believe a lot of our squad need his type of management and aren't motivated enough under Pellegrini. I guess only time will tell!

 

[Rolee]

Hope Mancini does get the Italian job and makes a success of it. Has fuck all to do with us, people need to get over him. Remember his time fondly or not fondly and move on.

I do too. As much as I mock him for being an unemployable twat I can't help but have some affection for the success he brought us. I've said before that he will have his place in our history. The bad will diminish with time.

I do find it fascinating though that such a decorated coach has been passed up for so many big jobs this summer. To me it reinforces the idea that he brings as many problems as he does solutions hence why PSG, Barca, Chelsea, United, Roma, Madrid, Bayern,
Etc didn't consider him.

Always felt his next stop would be the Italian national team. Think he may be more suited to that job than a club one.

I believe you BS, millions wouldn't but I do.

I personally couldn't give a fuck what he does now as he is no longer a part of Manchester City. I'm just thankful that he was and that he delivered.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Above Mancini, yes. But below Khaldoon Mubarak. He was a big fan of Mancini's, and would have taken a lot of convincing. They wouldn't have been able to just sack Mancini without his approval.

But people always seem to ignore Khaldoon's involvement and find a scapegoat elsewhere. First it was Marwood and now it's Txiki and Ferran.

I highly doubt it was Marwood's decision to tighten the purse strings last summer. Just like the decision to sack a manager has to come from the top. Regardless of whether Khaldoon wanted Mancini to stay he still made the decision to sack him.

But didn't he bring those two in - football people - to make football-based decisions? In which case, he had to back or act on the advice of Txiki and Ferran, as that's what he employs them to do. Hence why, if Pellegrini doesn't work out, he'd most likely hold them to account (and in turn, the Sheikh might hold Khaldoon responsible!).

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

You post good reasoned calm stuff. I like it. Keep it up.

 

[Rolee]

But didn't he bring those two in - football people - to make football-based decisions? In which case, he had to back or act on the advice of Txiki and Ferran, as that's what he employs them to do. Hence why, if Pellegrini doesn't work out, he'd most likely hold them to account (and in turn, the Sheikh might hold Khaldoon responsible!).

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

You post good reasoned calm stuff. I like it. Keep it up.

You on the other hand post condescending nonsense. Keep it down.