Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

You post good reasoned calm stuff. I like it. Keep it up.

You on the other hand post condescending nonsense. Keep it down.

You could just ignore it. Radical thought I know but since I've begun ignoring those I have no time for I am having a much more enjoyable forum experience.

 

[Rolee]

You post good reasoned calm stuff. I like it. Keep it up.

You on the other hand post condescending nonsense. Keep it down.

You could just ignore it. Radical thought I know but since I've begun ignoring those I have no time for I am having a much more enjoyable forum experience.

I could but I find bullies difficult to ignore.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Had the chance to get to chat to an old boy who's best mates with Bernard Halford and head of a supporters branch and I asked him about Mancini - he said almost everyone at the club was rubbed up the wrong way by Mancini such was his arrogance/ignorance to anybody's else's feelings and thoughts and evidently was the eventual reason for him being dismissed.

BUT

He also said behind closed doors a lot of people did recognise that Mancinis autocratic approach was needed due to years of half arsed slap dash management and many would have kept him on - the main reason being they believe a lot of our squad need his type of management and aren't motivated enough under Pellegrini. I guess only time will tell!

And the second part of your post is what I currently have a problem with.
The players IMO are on easy street now as Pellers seems like more of a guy to just put his arm around them and tell them everything will be alright when in reality players like Dzeko/Nasri need a fucking good kick up the arse which Mancini did and rubbed them up the wrong way. Just think we are in a no win situation because the players hold all the power.
Saturday week is going to be very very interesting to see how they play at Stoke.

 

[supercity88]

Had the chance to get to chat to an old boy who's best mates with Bernard Halford and head of a supporters branch and I asked him about Mancini - he said almost everyone at the club was rubbed up the wrong way by Mancini such was his arrogance/ignorance to anybody's else's feelings and thoughts and evidently was the eventual reason for him being dismissed.

BUT

He also said behind closed doors a lot of people did recognise that Mancinis autocratic approach was needed due to years of half arsed slap dash management and many would have kept him on - the main reason being they believe a lot of our squad need his type of management and aren't motivated enough under Pellegrini. I guess only time will tell!

And the second part of your post is what I currently have a problem with.
The players IMO are on easy street now as Pellers seems like more of a guy to just put his arm around them and tell them everything will be alright when in reality players like Dzeko/Nasri need a fucking good kick up the arse which Mancini did and rubbed them up the wrong way. Just think we are in a no win situation because the players hold all the power.
Saturday week is going to be very very interesting to see how they play at Stoke.

He will still demand results. I think a lot of people are taking Pellegrini to be too nice, I doubt he is. When things are going badly I am pretty sure he will give them a kick and change things around. Having faith in the players to put things right is one way of doing it but should players not perform they will be out of the club.

 

[che_don_john]

Above Mancini, yes. But below Khaldoon Mubarak. He was a big fan of Mancini's, and would have taken a lot of convincing. They wouldn't have been able to just sack Mancini without his approval.

But people always seem to ignore Khaldoon's involvement and find a scapegoat elsewhere. First it was Marwood and now it's Txiki and Ferran.

I highly doubt it was Marwood's decision to tighten the purse strings last summer. Just like the decision to sack a manager has to come from the top. Regardless of whether Khaldoon wanted Mancini to stay he still made the decision to sack him.

But didn't he bring those two in - football people - to make football-based decisions? In which case, he had to back or act on the advice of Txiki and Ferran, as that's what he employs them to do. Hence why, if Pellegrini doesn't work out, he'd most likely hold them to account (and in turn, the Sheikh might hold Khaldoon responsible!).

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.

Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

I agree with you there. Academy is a big priority now, hopefully these guys can deliver on that.

And whilst I'm not convinced Pellegrini is the right man (and before anyone spontaneously combusts, mine is a view based on his whole CV, not his three games at City!), I nevertheless hope he stays on even if we go trophy-less, as I want managers to always be given a fair crack of the whip and would like some continuity and stability at the club. However, given his age I don't think the Spaniards see Pellegrini as a long-term option. Also, Spaniards tend to prefer short cycles in football, with managers rotating every 3-5 years to freshen things up, and so I suspect that that is the model they'll want to put in place with us.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Had the chance to get to chat to an old boy who's best mates with Bernard Halford and head of a supporters branch and I asked him about Mancini - he said almost everyone at the club was rubbed up the wrong way by Mancini such was his arrogance/ignorance to anybody's else's feelings and thoughts and evidently was the eventual reason for him being dismissed.

BUT

He also said behind closed doors a lot of people did recognise that Mancinis autocratic approach was needed due to years of half arsed slap dash management and many would have kept him on - the main reason being they believe a lot of our squad need his type of management and aren't motivated enough under Pellegrini. I guess only time will tell!

And the second part of your post is what I currently have a problem with.
The players IMO are on easy street now as Pellers seems like more of a guy to just put his arm around them and tell them everything will be alright when in reality players like Dzeko/Nasri need a fucking good kick up the arse which Mancini did and rubbed them up the wrong way. Just think we are in a no win situation because the players hold all the power.
Saturday week is going to be very very interesting to see how they play at Stoke.

Players like Dzeko and Nasri didn't really seem to fall in line with my foot up your arse approach unless there were other reasons for them looking so desperate to get out last season. So if they dont fall in line with pally pally then maybe we have a bigger problem of them both just being cunts

 

[bernabias home shirt]

All the happy clappers being at the new managers throat and the Spanish duos smacks of childishness. Or hoping for failure to prove their point.

They should grow the fuck up, the handwringing after 3 games (one of which was a 10/10 performance) is sad as fuck.

Don't the people still sneering at Mancini need to grow up too?

Correct
Tbh it will never stop.

 

[MillionDollarDream]

Desperation is why Wenger smashed his clubs transfer record.

Are you suggesting we take that route?

Not only desperation but he can't even name a world class defender who is ok with being rotated out during a World Cup year. Ozil wasn't bought to sit on the bench for cover. Only on FIFA can you just "pay the fee" and not worry bout anything else until much later.

Terrible player that Ozil. What an obvious desperation buy. Has he ever played for anyone decent?

Who said he was terrible? But if he has problems with Bale coming in why would we buy him knowing he's going to be rotated here and might have problems fighting for a spot during a World Cup year?

 

[MillionDollarDream]

But didn't he bring those two in - football people - to make football-based decisions? In which case, he had to back or act on the advice of Txiki and Ferran, as that's what he employs them to do. Hence why, if Pellegrini doesn't work out, he'd most likely hold them to account (and in turn, the Sheikh might hold Khaldoon responsible!).

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.



Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

I agree with you there. Academy is a big priority now, hopefully these guys can deliver on that.

And whilst I'm not convinced Pellegrini is the right man (and before anyone spontaneously combusts, mine is a view based on his whole CV, not his three games at City!), I nevertheless hope he stays on even if we go trophy-less, as I want managers to always be given a fair crack of the whip and would like some continuity and stability at the club. However, given his age I don't think the Spaniards see Pellegrini as a long-term option. Also, Spaniards tend to prefer short cycles in football, with managers rotating every 3-5 years to freshen things up, and so I suspect that that is the model they'll want to put in place with us.

Frank Rijkaarad didn't have the greatest CV as a manager before he was brought in during their time at Barça and Pep was brought through the academy management ( a la Viera) during their time as well. I think what could happen would be trophies or trophieless Pep is next on the list and then Viera or the other way around, of course it depends on the amount of success they achieve in their current positions.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

That's why Txiki and Ferran will go going nowhere in the foreseeable future.



Ferran was brought in to make our club profitable and a big part of that is stopping the playing costs from spiralling out of control and staying competitive. In order to do this he brought in Txiki to oversee the whole footballing side of things. A big way to stay competitive is by having a footballing identity. The players we bring in will suit the system and our manager must believe in our team ethos too. That way the wholesale changes are kept to a minimum.

Another very important point is our new Academy. Arguably the most successful academies in Europe are Ajax and Barca and they both have similar identities from youth level to first team. I expect this is something we will try and emulate which is a major reason why Txiki is crucial to our future plans.

So people who think immediate short team goals are the be all and end all are sadly mistaken. Even with a trophyless season I reckon Pellers will be here next season.

I agree with you there. Academy is a big priority now, hopefully these guys can deliver on that.

And whilst I'm not convinced Pellegrini is the right man (and before anyone spontaneously combusts, mine is a view based on his whole CV, not his three games at City!), I nevertheless hope he stays on even if we go trophy-less, as I want managers to always be given a fair crack of the whip and would like some continuity and stability at the club. However, given his age I don't think the Spaniards see Pellegrini as a long-term option. Also, Spaniards tend to prefer short cycles in football, with managers rotating every 3-5 years to freshen things up, and so I suspect that that is the model they'll want to put in place with us.

Frank Rijkaarad didn't have the greatest CV as a manager before he was brought in during their time at Barça and Pep was brought through the academy management ( a la Viera) during their time as well. I think what could happen would be trophies or trophieless Pep is next on the list and then Viera or the other way around, of course it depends on the amount of success they achieve in their current positions.

I don't buy into this Vieira stuff. I've seen hundreds of "groomed successors" touted amongst clubs through the years and they almost never come off, mainly because it's hard to know who will make a good manager until they have done the job. I don't think Pep is naturally a shoe-in for our next job either.

I don't actually believe that any significant thought will have gone into our next manager either. You can't plan years ahead in football because there are too many variables.