Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

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St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
By replacing a winner with a nice manager who in reality has won nothing.Am I not allowed to think that?believe me I know many a blue who feel the same but are just keeping quiet for now.
Minds made up after 3 games. Brilliant
Not at all..as tcm says i dont want anyone at the club to fail to prove a point...my point is simply that I feel the club have fucked up in changing managers but that is my opinion only...Pellegrini has a long way to go to justify the decision being correct..how long are you giving him then?me...ten games however a few of the loudest voices who were adamant pellegrini was the man have all of a sudden become less confident and are using the transitional season bollocks.If we are not top 2 then I expect the club to sack him.
What I'm saying is that if you compare our results this season to last then we are 1 point worse off with a better goal difference.

Coincidently we have Stoke 4th game and if we win that we will be 1 point better off, so were you disappointed with our start last season seen as though we had a manager in charge who couldn't use the transition excuse.
 
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Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
FantasyIreland said:
Care to elaborate on how exactly you think the club has made such a huge mistake?

Cheers.

By replacing a winner with a nice manager who in reality has won nothing.Am I not allowed to think that?believe me I know many a blue who feel the same but are just keeping quiet for now.
Minds made up after 3 games. Brilliant

We have seen 3 competitive games a forum is for discussion at the moment I presume this is the way Pellegrini is going to set up his sides? so like you you presume he is going to be a success I'm at the moment hoping he is a success, at Madrid his side played some excellent football and got to 99 points but there wasn't just the league he could of won he didn't win a cup or anything with a top side.. I really hope pelegrini is successful. like I said a forum is for discussion
 
Winning PL is harder than they think, its alot more than just getting the players and manager. They are also basing their player buys and setup and hiring the manager on what would work in La Liga. Its also press, referees and FA involved. That's why Manchester United and Ferguson has been so successful. Mourinho is also able to manage those aspects well. Mancini struck the right balance for a season, he had to be the person he was to win it. I am not sure Pellegrini has the right personality to win PL.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
Minds made up after 3 games. Brilliant
Not at all..as tcm says i dont want anyone at the club to fail to prove a point...my point is simply that I feel the club have fucked up in changing managers but that is my opinion only...Pellegrini has a long way to go to justify the decision being correct..how long are you giving him then?me...ten games however a few of the loudest voices who were adamant pellegrini was the man have all of a sudden become less confident and are using the transitional season bollocks.If we are not top 2 then I expect the club to sack him.
What I'm saying is that if you compare our results this season to last then we are 1 point worse off with a better goal difference.

Coincidently we have Stoke 4th game and if we win that we will be 1 point better off, so were you disappointed with our start last season seen as though we had a manager in charge who couldn't use the transition excuse.

I will tell you about last season mate-I was hugely dissapointed with it but to finish second and get to another final after the fucking shite transfer window we had last summer wasn't that bad. The powers that be didn't back Mancini and Marwood it appears royally fucked up. If we had backed Mancini I for one would have been confident of retaining the league. Hazard,RVP,Cavani...any one of those would have made a huge difference.
As I keep saying,Nobody,not one person wants anyone to fail and for anyone to think that are truly deluded. All that I am saying is that after 3 games there is no improvement despite 80 million pounds being spent. 10 games in will tell us a lot more.
Roll on Saturday and 3 points..
 
The cookie monster said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
VOOMER said:
If a bad player was signed under Hughes, rightly a lot was put down to our negotiators, but he did force through the RSC deal. With Bobby, last year when Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair turned up all 3 were being blamed on Bobby when even Marwood let slip they were 3rd choices. The slippery little *wats wanted Bobby out and used the transfer window to do that. Pellers isn't involved in this, but Tixxi has been involved for over a season and was still looking at Cavani after Bobby left. We support the club, I want to see us win trophies, they decided to undermine the manager, therefore misleading us, as to their intentions last season. I feel we are going to be treading water for the next two season's until Pep is free. Merchant Bankers!
Barcelona's resurgence was about the link with Michels, Cruyff, Vand Gaal and Rijkaard setting up a seamless club structure, which had nothing to do with the new 2. Those sat around me against Hull, thought it a shambles. at times not even worthy of Leslie's era. That said we won.

Txiki wasn't here last summer, it was Marwood's responsibility, and if he can't negotiate that's his problem and is likely why he was put into a more suitable role for him, and Txiki is most certainly not a merchant banker.

You are as ignorant, deluded and have a plain desire for us to fail because you think Mancini was harshly treated if you think what you've written is true, because it is complete bullshit and I don't care that you're a City fan to tell you that.
Your the third person on this thread who think folk want us to fail to prove a point
I think your the fucking deluded one.

When he continues to undermine or ignore the achievements and expertees of two of our most important staff members, then exaggerate every situation so it becomes completely their fault, only focus on perceived negatives even when they aren't really bad at all, throwing around the mantra that they set us up to fail and thus give off the impression that they think they are nasty pieces of work and don't want them to succeed then by default they come across as wanting them to fail and thus are accepting they want us to fail to prove the point.

I've never seen any company hire two such well renowned experts in their field and be so publicly lambasted for it by people who seem completely unable to grasp how quickly football has developed in the last 12 months let alone in the last 5/10 years.

They are people who seem unable to appreciate what the club needs to do to preserve its top status over a 20/30 year period and seem obsessed with setup's that are now essentially redundant in top level football and that, strange as it may sound, "just" winning 2 big trophies is enough.

Mancini's achievements were brilliant, absolutely fantastic and every City fan should be nothing but grateful for what he achieved. His sacking was also a mess but Mr Rosell had a fair hand in ensuring that was going to be the case unfortunately. What the duo have since shown is they knuckle down without any media fuss, do a very good summer of business and employ a manager who they(who also plucked out Rijkaard and Guardiola) believe is the right fit for this stage of our long term transition. That is our transition as a club and not just on the field, where I think everyone expects for us to still compete strongly. Ultimately after a two tricky games and a dissappointing defeat in one of them there are teething problems, not helped by injuries, but Pellegrini needs time, it has been 3 games and the proof will be in the season as a whole. Will we win every game 3/4-0? no, so don't be dissappointed if we only beat Hull 2-0, we may not have played particularly well but in out 3rd game with a new boss and no Vinnie the result is much more important.

The start of last season was worse, we played Southampton at home but they managed to go 2-1 up at our place on the opening weekend. Then we stole a draw at Liverpool and then QPR turned up and got to 1-1 against us as well. We then went to Stoke 4th like this year and drew 1-1 thanks to their handball goal, but we weren't great that day, and followed it up with a 1-1 draw at home to Arsenal.

If we win at Stoke it would be a great result and get a monkey of our back. If we draw it will still be a decent result, ultimately the concern will start mounting if we don't deliver against the Rags but I think patience is the key this season and we will flourish after the first month or two, in time to qualify from our group, take the huge confidence boost that will bring and go on and have a really good season.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Paulmcfc2703 said:
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Not at all..as tcm says i dont want anyone at the club to fail to prove a point...my point is simply that I feel the club have fucked up in changing managers but that is my opinion only...Pellegrini has a long way to go to justify the decision being correct..how long are you giving him then?me...ten games however a few of the loudest voices who were adamant pellegrini was the man have all of a sudden become less confident and are using the transitional season bollocks.If we are not top 2 then I expect the club to sack him.
What I'm saying is that if you compare our results this season to last then we are 1 point worse off with a better goal difference.

Coincidently we have Stoke 4th game and if we win that we will be 1 point better off, so were you disappointed with our start last season seen as though we had a manager in charge who couldn't use the transition excuse.

I will tell you about last season mate-I was hugely dissapointed with it but to finish second after the fucking shite transfer window we had last summer and it clearly showed. The powers that be didn't back Mancini and Marwood it appears royally fucked up. If we had backed Mancini I for one would have been confident of retaining the league. Hazard,RVP,Cavani...any one of those would have made a huge difference.
As I keep saying,Nobody,not one person wants anyone to fail and for anyone to think that are truly deluded. All that I am saying is that after 3 games there is no improvement despite 80 million pounds being spent. 10 games in will tell us a lot more.
I agree that he wasn't backed and that the impact so far seems minimal but I also think the loss of Vinny is a huge part of that. Saturday is a big game for Pellegrini. One of the reasons Mancini was sacked was his inability to win games like this one so hopefully Pellegrini can pull it out the bag.

Not to mention from Saturday the games come quick so if we have the luck to win the next 3 then that will go some way to people believing Pellegrini has what it takes to move us forward.
 
They are still trying to get used to the new system with new players . It takes time and injuries have not helped.The next couple of games should be a good test .
 
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I'm beginning to love this thread. The new cabal/fifth column are an entertaining bunch!
 
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Skashion said:
BillyShears said:
The new cabal/fifth column are an entertaining bunch!
I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'm supporting my term of preference, the Anti-Holistas.

What was it you've so gleefully said in recent years. Our club has always had a minority of moaning miserable bastards. :)
 
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