You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain
- Thread starter BlueDejong
- Start date
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
Tim of the Oak said:The cookie monster said:Your the third person on this thread who think folk want us to fail to prove a pointJoeMercer'sWay said:Txiki wasn't here last summer, it was Marwood's responsibility, and if he can't negotiate that's his problem and is likely why he was put into a more suitable role for him, and Txiki is most certainly not a merchant banker.
You are as ignorant, deluded and have a plain desire for us to fail because you think Mancini was harshly treated if you think what you've written is true, because it is complete bullshit and I don't care that you're a City fan to tell you that.
I think your the fucking deluded one.
Txiki and Ferran have taken a new broom approach, from removing youth team players, first team players like Barry, sacking Mancini and even the posters outside the ground has changed. Hopefully, MP will bring in trophies with the full backing of Ferran and Txiki and we have seen £90m invested in players. With this new broom approach comes increased accountability for the decision makers and if we have a disappointing year or two then Txiki and Ferran will be accountable.
If Ferran and Txiki are as as good as some people say on here then why worry about the many Blues who appreciate what Mancini did for us. Surely more success is around the corner.
Do you really think that FS or TB actually decide which posters are put up outside the ground? They probably don't even know what the posters are.
simon23
Well-Known Member
Im completely behind the MP even though i was all for keeping Mancini (and I did recognise his faults as well)
It is far too early to really judge MP and the team and that should only be done at the end of the season ( a good guide may be around xmas/new year time)
However people will form opinions on what they have seen so far (pre season and the first 3 matches) - football fans are very fickle bunch! And after all what else are people supposed to start forming opinions on?
Firstly MP seems like a nice guy - very media savvy (and a little more hard nosed with them which was a pleasant surprise to me)
He looks like he has brought a bit more balance to the team with the aquisition of navas and ferd)
However he has turned the best defense in the league into one that looks shakey and all over the place (regardless of kompany missing) - he has unbalanced the team in terms of his midfield pairing and it is leaving huge holes infront of the back 4 which is causing major problems.
on players sold I think he has made mistakes (now this is where I come to the Txixi in particular and his influence) - negrado looks like an upgrade on dzeko for certain - so why wasnt dzeko sold? Negrado isnt going to replace aguero so I dont see that we need dzeko........
The selling of Tevez - I understand the financial implications for this - BUT he is a player that will win you games on his own, he is a player that makes the difference in between 1st and second/ getting champs league and possibly missing out on qualifying - what would the financial implications be of that?????
The same could be said of the selling of Kolo - very very short sighted especially when there was no replacement - if he thought that garcia was a good back up or that you could play lesoctt with either of them then he wasnt watching the games last season - any fan with a basic understanding of defensive units would have known that the loss of kompany would be disastrous (not just cause he is a fantastic individual player and the leader of the team - but also becuase the back up options were right.
All in all the financial penny pinching while necessary could bite us on the ass - missing out on winning things/not qualifying for champs league could have even bigger financial implications - the sae with Gaz baz - this is a big mistake as against the likes of Stoke and those sort of teams he 99% of the time steps up to the fight
Lastly - Mancini again - (this is not about whether it was right or wrong to sack him - he has gone now so it makes no difference) - however it sems pretty blatantly pbvious that it was a power struggle between RM and Txixi that was the root of it - all these stories about everyone at the club hating him I dont buy at all - yes he clearly rubbed up some the wrong way and his open criticism of players (while factually correct) wasnt the way to do things........Txixi wanted influence - mancini didnt want it and txixi won the battle .........so for me our performances on the pitch this season are as much down to him as MP and at the moment they are below par and Stole will reveal a lot cause only an improved performance will do..anything less will show that in the short term MP and Txixi cannt adapt the team and tactics to playing the average teams in the prem who want to try and bully us off the park.
As for Soriano - well all I read about him is very positive and that he is growing the financial side of the club extremely well.........though again his influence in getting certain players of the wage bill who could have proved very important to us could come back to bite us.....there are the likes of garcia, kolorov and even sinclair (not sure if we are paying some of hsi wages or not) but getting rid of these 3 would have enables us to keep one of either tevez or Kolo...he could have even sold Richard wright and brought in a kid as cover on less to help - for me the trimming of the squad was necessary but has been done from the wrong end - he should have started with the none vital players and then gone to the top of the tree.........who would anyone rather see in the squad - tevez or dzeko? kolo or garcia? ....ok we would nt have saved as much money BUT we would have still saved some and the difference in between winning things and not would make up the differences surely?????
It is far too early to really judge MP and the team and that should only be done at the end of the season ( a good guide may be around xmas/new year time)
However people will form opinions on what they have seen so far (pre season and the first 3 matches) - football fans are very fickle bunch! And after all what else are people supposed to start forming opinions on?
Firstly MP seems like a nice guy - very media savvy (and a little more hard nosed with them which was a pleasant surprise to me)
He looks like he has brought a bit more balance to the team with the aquisition of navas and ferd)
However he has turned the best defense in the league into one that looks shakey and all over the place (regardless of kompany missing) - he has unbalanced the team in terms of his midfield pairing and it is leaving huge holes infront of the back 4 which is causing major problems.
on players sold I think he has made mistakes (now this is where I come to the Txixi in particular and his influence) - negrado looks like an upgrade on dzeko for certain - so why wasnt dzeko sold? Negrado isnt going to replace aguero so I dont see that we need dzeko........
The selling of Tevez - I understand the financial implications for this - BUT he is a player that will win you games on his own, he is a player that makes the difference in between 1st and second/ getting champs league and possibly missing out on qualifying - what would the financial implications be of that?????
The same could be said of the selling of Kolo - very very short sighted especially when there was no replacement - if he thought that garcia was a good back up or that you could play lesoctt with either of them then he wasnt watching the games last season - any fan with a basic understanding of defensive units would have known that the loss of kompany would be disastrous (not just cause he is a fantastic individual player and the leader of the team - but also becuase the back up options were right.
All in all the financial penny pinching while necessary could bite us on the ass - missing out on winning things/not qualifying for champs league could have even bigger financial implications - the sae with Gaz baz - this is a big mistake as against the likes of Stoke and those sort of teams he 99% of the time steps up to the fight
Lastly - Mancini again - (this is not about whether it was right or wrong to sack him - he has gone now so it makes no difference) - however it sems pretty blatantly pbvious that it was a power struggle between RM and Txixi that was the root of it - all these stories about everyone at the club hating him I dont buy at all - yes he clearly rubbed up some the wrong way and his open criticism of players (while factually correct) wasnt the way to do things........Txixi wanted influence - mancini didnt want it and txixi won the battle .........so for me our performances on the pitch this season are as much down to him as MP and at the moment they are below par and Stole will reveal a lot cause only an improved performance will do..anything less will show that in the short term MP and Txixi cannt adapt the team and tactics to playing the average teams in the prem who want to try and bully us off the park.
As for Soriano - well all I read about him is very positive and that he is growing the financial side of the club extremely well.........though again his influence in getting certain players of the wage bill who could have proved very important to us could come back to bite us.....there are the likes of garcia, kolorov and even sinclair (not sure if we are paying some of hsi wages or not) but getting rid of these 3 would have enables us to keep one of either tevez or Kolo...he could have even sold Richard wright and brought in a kid as cover on less to help - for me the trimming of the squad was necessary but has been done from the wrong end - he should have started with the none vital players and then gone to the top of the tree.........who would anyone rather see in the squad - tevez or dzeko? kolo or garcia? ....ok we would nt have saved as much money BUT we would have still saved some and the difference in between winning things and not would make up the differences surely?????
A
A
Anonymous
Guest
Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain
Hahahahaha. The fucking irony.
waspish said:BillyShears said:Tbf the real hilarity is in the massives who were all about get behind the team/manager/club last season now falling over themselves to do anything but.
Well on here I moan or praise and discuss the team/manager at the ground I get behind the team/manager like I always have...
Hahahahaha. The fucking irony.
blueparrot
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 7 Jun 2012
- Messages
- 29,410
117 M34 said:Tim of the Oak said:The cookie monster said:Your the third person on this thread who think folk want us to fail to prove a point
I think your the fucking deluded one.
Txiki and Ferran have taken a new broom approach, from removing youth team players, first team players like Barry, sacking Mancini and even the posters outside the ground has changed. Hopefully, MP will bring in trophies with the full backing of Ferran and Txiki and we have seen £90m invested in players. With this new broom approach comes increased accountability for the decision makers and if we have a disappointing year or two then Txiki and Ferran will be accountable.
If Ferran and Txiki are as as good as some people say on here then why worry about the many Blues who appreciate what Mancini did for us. Surely more success is around the corner.
Do you really think that FS or TB actually decide which posters are put up outside the ground? They probably don't even know what the posters are.
Saw Soriano and Khaldoun walking around city square with entourage pointing out and discussing things before the Hull game so they definately know about posters etc
You can have two formidable managers and accountants on the board, but what happens on the pitch is down to the coach and players.
City aren't a Man Utd. If we fail this season, then there maybe no endless chances to have another go next season.
Last season was regarded as a failure, but we still got to Wembley and finished 2nd. Right now, I have serious doubts that we'll even finish in the top 4. Granted after 3 games the evidence is very shaky, and if we win at Stoke, I'll change my mind again
Might be stupid to form a opinion game by game, but that's all we can do, and I'm just being honest. I think 99% of the City supporters trooped out of the Etihad against Hull thinking that wasn't very good and we got away with that. We can say that to each other on the way home and in the pub, but we can't put it on the forum, and we can't question why the manager doesn't play to his teams strengths which is David Silva and Negredo. Build the team round them and we'll be fine Evacuate the midfield and we'll go into free-fall. That's the message of the opening 3 games. No sign that Pellegrii understands that yet.
City aren't a Man Utd. If we fail this season, then there maybe no endless chances to have another go next season.
Last season was regarded as a failure, but we still got to Wembley and finished 2nd. Right now, I have serious doubts that we'll even finish in the top 4. Granted after 3 games the evidence is very shaky, and if we win at Stoke, I'll change my mind again
Might be stupid to form a opinion game by game, but that's all we can do, and I'm just being honest. I think 99% of the City supporters trooped out of the Etihad against Hull thinking that wasn't very good and we got away with that. We can say that to each other on the way home and in the pub, but we can't put it on the forum, and we can't question why the manager doesn't play to his teams strengths which is David Silva and Negredo. Build the team round them and we'll be fine Evacuate the midfield and we'll go into free-fall. That's the message of the opening 3 games. No sign that Pellegrii understands that yet.
JoeMercer'sWay
Well-Known Member
Marvin said:You can have two formidable managers and accountants on the board, but what happens on the pitch is down to the coach and players.
City aren't a Man Utd. If we fail this season, then there maybe no endless chances to have another go next season.
Last season was regarded as a failure, but we still got to Wembley and finished 2nd. Right now, I have serious doubts that we'll even finish in the top 4. Granted after 3 games the evidence is very shaky, and if we win at Stoke, I'll change my mind again
Might be stupid to form a opinion game by game, but that's all we can do, and I'm just being honest. I think 99% of the City supporters trooped out of the Etihad against Hull thinking that wasn't very good and we got away with that. We can say that to each other on the way home and in the pub, but we can't put it on the forum, and we can't question why the manager doesn't play to his teams strengths which is David Silva and Negredo. Build the team round them and we'll be fine Evacuate the midfield and we'll go into free-fall. That's the message of the opening 3 games. No sign that Pellegrii understands that yet.
countless times last season I walked out of the Etihad thinking we'd got away with it, and we still finished 2nd and got to the Cup Final.
goalmole
Well-Known Member
This thread is so ridiculous it's getting boring. The moaners have lurched from "we're going to walk the league and sweep everything before us" to "we're never, ever going to win anything ever again under this mangement". All on the basis of 3, i'll say it again for emphasis, 3 matches. Both statements, we know are plainly ridiculous. We are a work in progress. We have come from mid table under Hughes to winning the FA cup and League title under Mancini. The current management, IMO rightly, are trying to push us onto the next level under Pellegrini. They have put the nessecary infrastructure in place to achieve this. Their efforts may or may not succeed straight away, in which case they will tweak and change until the desired destination is reached. All that is required is a little patience. Rome, as we all know, wasn't built in a day. The problem IMO isn't the current management, but the spoilt fuckers on here who don't have a perspective of what is happening at Man City and probably life in general.
InMyLifetime-BaconChops
Well-Known Member
Well we won't win the Premier League ever if we carry on playing the same suicidal high line of defence.
Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain
So what I write on here will make a difference to the team and how our manager will manage?
BillyShears said:waspish said:BillyShears said:Tbf the real hilarity is in the massives who were all about get behind the team/manager/club last season now falling over themselves to do anything but.
Well on here I moan or praise and discuss the team/manager at the ground I get behind the team/manager like I always have...
Hahahahaha. The fucking irony.
So what I write on here will make a difference to the team and how our manager will manage?
- Status
- Not open for further replies.