FFP - 21 Man Squad Restriction & Homegrown Quota

[EalingBlue2]

One way we have been shafted is clubs will offer lower prices for the players they know we need to get off the books thus limiting our spending

Conversely, we might not get ripped off for players we sign either (although obviously it leaves us vulnerable to being gazumped by other clubs willing and able to pay more).

I do to think this is the case at all actually the opposite we may now be less inclined to get rid, ie more inclined to keep Richards etc in which case they may need to pay more

 

[TrueBlue1705]

It is impossible to know for a fact because UEFA make up the rules as they go, but according to several journalists we can only register 13 non-home grown players.

Ive looked at a UEFA document that says you can have 4 club trained players + 17 "free players" (non-home grown players).

It is interesting:

See page 87 - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/79/68/69/1796869_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>

See Article 18:12 "If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly." The table on p.87/88 means that any club that only puts forward four locally trained players can only have 21 in the squad - so (in the absence of anything more specific in the settlement) I'd assume that applies in reverse (i.e. we still get 17 foreign players in the 21)

that's what I have been saying for the last 2 hours

Yep it looks 4 homegrown from that doc - I'm guessing City would have clarified this with UEFA - its a big deal with transfers looming. Would explain why the club seems unperturbed and we appear to be going ahead with original targets.

Sagna, Fernando, Mangala or Benatia - would be handy to bring another homegrown if we can do it within the constraints of the transfer cap - I would love Barkley or Fabregas is available - Trouble now is Man Utd know they can outbid us - so Gill's little plan will have worked a treat, that's if top players want to go a club that's not in the CL and has had its day!! :-D

 

[Mattyc55]

Isnt Sagna home grown?

 

[lancs blue]

Isnt Sagna home grown?

No, he was in his 20s when he joined Arsenal.

 

[JGL07]

My only slight concern and it is very slight, but this particular ruling does damage our chances of CL success dramatically in the short term. WIll this put off any potential signing or even worse make some of our current players wanna jump ship in pursuit of CL glory.

in the short term is actually 1 year as far as I can see? And tbh we were not likely to win it next season anyway

personally i would send in the fringe players and rest our starters to go for another double or triple next season, as u said with restrictions i doubt we have a chance anyway so rest our biggest players for pl games

Arguably, City's best result in Europe in recent years was the win away to Bayern. Most of the top players, bar Silva, we're rested for that match.

 

[jimbo101]

we dont actually have to register ANY homegrown players if we dont want to, and just have a squad of 17 mercenary johnny foreigners, all on £220k a week, who'll move on when the Sheikh gets bored & takes his money with him.

Sorry, just getting in all the boring old cliches that'll get thrown at us from the Tarquins.

Come on Hull !!!!

 

[momo88]

See Article 18:12 "If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly." The table on p.87/88 means that any club that only puts forward four locally trained players can only have 21 in the squad - so (in the absence of anything more specific in the settlement) I'd assume that applies in reverse (i.e. we still get 17 foreign players in the 21)

that's what I have been saying for the last 2 hours

Yep it looks 4 homegrown from that doc - I'm guessing City would have clarified this with UEFA - its a big deal with transfers looming. Would explain why the club seems unperturbed and we appear to be going ahead with original targets.

Sagna, Fernando, Mangala or Benatia - would be handy to bring another homegrown if we can do it within the constraints of the transfer cap - I would love Barkley or Fabregas is available - Trouble now is Man Utd know they can outbid us - so Gill's little plan will have worked a treat, that's if top players want to go a club that's not in the CL and has had its day!! :-D

whats with this fabregas nonsence to play where ? in place of who ? how much the transfer ? his salary ?!!!!!!!!!!!

at some moment the fucking players from the academy have to play so all this talk about the academy for what ? so here a chance for them to play

 

[TrueBlue1705]

It is impossible to know for a fact because UEFA make up the rules as they go, but according to several journalists we can only register 13 non-home grown players.

Ive looked at a UEFA document that says you can have 4 club trained players + 17 "free players" (non-home grown players).

It is interesting:

See page 87 - <a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/79/68/69/1796869_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>

See Article 18:12 "If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly." The table on p.87/88 means that any club that only puts forward four locally trained players can only have 21 in the squad - so (in the absence of anything more specific in the settlement) I'd assume that applies in reverse (i.e. we still get 17 foreign players in the 21)

that's what I have been saying for the last 2 hours

I hope this is right - with UEFA trying to stick it up us I'll only believe it when some official news is release ..... Press are reporting 8 homegrown as are lots of tw*ts on twitter rejoicing at our punishment and pointing out 8 homegrown will kill our CL campaign!!

 

[kinkyafro66]

Friday, 16 May 2014
How will UEFA's Financial Fair Play sanctions affect MCFC?
We all know FFP is an abhorrent policy, as explained here, yet the sanctions UEFA have imposed upon Manchester City Football Club, does not impact the Citizens too much.




THE €60M FINE

Most media outlets have reported a €60m fine for the Blues, but the punishment is much different. In fact, City lose €20m (combined) of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the their competitions during the 2013/14 and 2014/15 seasons. The remaining €40m withheld is also prize money, but is expected to be handed back to the Blues this time next year, when they show they have complied with FFP regulations during the 2013/14 season.

So in essence, City have lost €20m, whilst almost certainly regaining the other €40m since the Blues expect to comply with the regulations and break-even in 2013/14.

ALLOWANCE OF LOSSES

This won't affect the Blues really. City have announced they expect to break-even after 2013/14 and operate in profit thereafter. As such, the allowance of losses doesn't even matter.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SQUAD LIMIT

It's just a squad limit of 21 players and has no bearing regarding home-grown talent. City used only 21 players in the Champions League last campaign and so the sanction doesn't really affect them.

TRANSFER BUDGET LIMIT

If City's rumoured transfer exploits are to be believed, then Sheikh Mansour's club will spend £41m on Porto pair Eliaquim Mangala and Fernando whilst Arsenal defender Bacary Sagna is expected to arrive at the club on a free. Therefore, the Blues will not be affected by the £49m limit imposed upon them.

Should players such as Scott Sinclair, Micah Richards and Costel Pantilimon leave for a monetary fee, then that can be added onto the limit. If City sold the trio for £10m, then they will have a £59m limit.

For reference, the Blues spent £67m net last summer and therefore, don't expect the limit to be too much of a problem.

THE WAGE BILL

UEFA say that the Citizens' wage bill must not increase during 2014/15. With players such as Joleon Lescott, Gareth Barry, Scott Sinclair and Micah Richards expected to be off the wage bill, City again will not be affected. UEFA say they ignore bonuses too, which is heavily featured in contracts drawn up by CEO Ferran Soriano.

As such, the Blues again should not be affected.

ADDITIONAL

Furthermore, if players are signed this campaign, their transfer fees are not all piled in to one season's FFP report. They are divided between however many years that signing's contract lasts for. For example, Martin Demichelis joined the Blues for £3.5m and has a two year deal. Therefore, £1.75m is incorporated into 2013/14's financial report and a further £1.75m into 2014/15's.

Hope that clears a few things up.

 

[goalmole]

I thought you lot didn't give a shit about champions league according to the large thread about it '??

Premiership or champions league , which is better to win thread ??????

Anyone.....no ??

We don't. it's the players and sponsors that do unfortunately.