FFP facing legal challenge (updated pg 12)

[dannybcity]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

Why always ste asked the question about why mid table clubs would vote for ffp and the only reason I can see is that the entrenchment effect would not stop at the " elite" clubs but would carry on down the table ensuring a PL place almost in perpetuity for themselves as lower clubs would not be able to attract serious investment and overtake their position. With the huge sums of TV money coming up next season what I think we are seeing is chairmen of clubs cravenly accepting that there is no possibility of their clubs ever winning anything and meekly accepting mediocrity as long as the Sky money keeps rolling in.
I wonder how their fans will feel when the realisation hits them of their clubs lack of ambition
Would you spend hundreds of pounds on a season ticket if you could predict to within a place or two , just where your club will finish, season after boring predictable season?
I can't wait to hear chairmen bemoaning the loss of revenue because fans no longer want to pay lots of money for very little return!
Turkeys and Xmas indeed

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I put it down to ego. Chairmen are rich men but they don't like to be shown to be not quite as rich as the next man. Whelan at Wigan for example knows that he can't compete financially with foreign owners but he clearly loves the status owning a Premiership football club brings. As things stand he can get by but if a couple more clubs were to be taken over he'd be under serious pressure to step aside and then how would he go about kissing Whiskeynose's arse each year?

 

[Shaelumstash]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

No one will, and I include ourselves in that. Why would we? Think about it, we are inside pissing out now just like Chelsea and the Sh1te . This ruling insures the investment of our lovely owner.

Well because since we started curbing our spending to prepare for FFP we're 15 points behind in the league! I don't think our lovely owner is particularly concerned about turning a profit for CIty as a stand alone business. He bought us as a vehicle to raise the awareness and profile of Abu Dhabi and it's companies. Finishing 3rd or 4th isn't going to do a very good job of that, he wants to finish 1st, that's why we voted against the FFP rules being brought in to the Premier League.

I'd agree about turning a profit, it's not a requirement, but just competing against and ruffling the feathers of the so called elite has done its job in raising the profile of Abu Dhabi and as more success comes our way, and I'm very sure much, much more will come, it will continue to do so. If FFP hadn't been invented then maybe spending would be different. IMO it just means total dominance will take a little longer. The days of ostentatious Arab splashing of the cash has to some extent gone. I wouldn't be surprised if a more organic route to the pinnacle of football is more desirable to the Sheik. It would help silence some of the rhetoric against us. Does the Sheik want to be the best? Of course. Can we do it within FFP? I'd say so.

As for our position I still think we will finish second this year and win the cup, not ideal of course but with the success of the last couple of years I still think we are in front of target if (including this year) trophies are combined.
If, as is speculated, our losses are down to £50 mill for the coming years end accounts I can see a big spend again this summer and us still piss FFP.

Fair post and I agree with all of it (other than referring to our glorious owners as "Arab" It's something the tabloid media do and I don't like it. You never see the Glazers referred to as "United's Jewish owners" or the scousers as "Liverpool's Caucasian owners")

But back on the football, I think everyone agrees the summer window was a disaster. Whether that was soley down to FFP is debatable, but I don't think we'd have been in the market for Scott Sinclair had there been no FFP.

I do expect a big summer this year, to try and catch up with the Shite, but it's such a shame we didn't do it the summer just gone. It's so much easier to buy when you're champions because everyone wants to join you, you've got all the bargaining power.

 

[stehorts]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

For the first time in a long time, a thread worth reading on bluemoon which is informative and hasn't descended into the normal bitching!
Only my opinion, but I suspect city will ensure they comply to the regulations for next year, and wait for another team to fall foul of the laws (one inevitably will) and challenge them. I guess City firmly believe (like the author of the article) the rules will be blown out by the ECJ -which will leave City in an incredibly strong position.

City can stand firm and say they complied with the rules when they were brought in, and truthfully say they had no involvement in trying to dismiss them for their own personal benefit. They will then have a clear run on doing exactly what they want. Meanwhille, until the rules are over-turned, we should have a squad capable of winning trophies domestically and compete in Europe. The future is very bright - I really don't understand the negativity in general on the forum - although I do appreciate the disappointment of this season (its only a temporary hangover - which still might end with the FA Cup!)

I think city are playing it perfectly by staying quiet, and have effectively given certain un-named clubs enough rope to hang themselves...

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

Damning that this had to be published in the WSJ. I hope the European courts smack down these petty UK journalists who peddle lies based on club bias.

 

[Mikeegrini]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

Well because since we started curbing our spending to prepare for FFP we're 15 points behind in the league! I don't think our lovely owner is particularly concerned about turning a profit for CIty as a stand alone business. He bought us as a vehicle to raise the awareness and profile of Abu Dhabi and it's companies. Finishing 3rd or 4th isn't going to do a very good job of that, he wants to finish 1st, that's why we voted against the FFP rules being brought in to the Premier League.

I'd agree about turning a profit, it's not a requirement, but just competing against and ruffling the feathers of the so called elite has done its job in raising the profile of Abu Dhabi and as more success comes our way, and I'm very sure much, much more will come, it will continue to do so. If FFP hadn't been invented then maybe spending would be different. IMO it just means total dominance will take a little longer. The days of ostentatious Arab splashing of the cash has to some extent gone. I wouldn't be surprised if a more organic route to the pinnacle of football is more desirable to the Sheik. It would help silence some of the rhetoric against us. Does the Sheik want to be the best? Of course. Can we do it within FFP? I'd say so.

As for our position I still think we will finish second this year and win the cup, not ideal of course but with the success of the last couple of years I still think we are in front of target if (including this year) trophies are combined.
If, as is speculated, our losses are down to £50 mill for the coming years end accounts I can see a big spend again this summer and us still piss FFP.

Fair post and I agree with all of it (other than referring to our glorious owners as "Arab" It's something the tabloid media do and I don't like it. You never see the Glazers referred to as "United's Jewish owners" or the scousers as "Liverpool's Caucasian owners")

But back on the football, I think everyone agrees the summer window was a disaster. Whether that was soley down to FFP is debatable, but I don't think we'd have been in the market for Scott Sinclair had there been no FFP.

I do expect a big summer this year, to try and catch up with the Shite, but it's such a shame we didn't do it the summer just gone. It's so much easier to buy when you're champions because everyone wants to join you, you've got all the bargaining power.

I can see your point of view regarding ''Arab''. I only used it as a collective for all the peoples of the Arab Peninsular. It's the way the word is use that should be challenged, the constant negative connotation, not the word.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

I don't think we'll find too many City fans dissenting from a word of the article, because it's what many of us have been saying for a long time. What is significant is the prestigious publication it appeared in and the author who has taken UEFA on successfully in other cases.

Like a lot of your posts, bang on the money.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:39 am --<br /><br />

its a f***king cartel ,it needs a train steaming through the middle of it .will never forget the words,of one of the rags top men ,when they were floating on the u.s a stocck market,"ffp will play right into our hands".utd,munich,ajax,arsenal,et all,nothing lasts for ever,your days are numbered,bunch of twats ,rant over

Or the words of the ticket tout when they changed the rules yet again to entrench Champs League qualification for teams like them:

"who wants to see Steau Bucharest in a European Final"

I hope that arrogance chokes the whole fucking rancid bunch of horrible tossbags.

 

[glyncity]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

People ask who will challenge the ffp rules through the eu courts , well in my opinion like the bosman it will be a dis-satisfied player .
Take the scenario , shrek has a major set to with bacon face , bacon face says " your going to rot in the reserves shrek , if i dont get the fee i want for you "
but unfortunately for shrek , none of the clubs with the financial ability to pay his fee plus his wages actually want him .
Harry over at QPR likes the lad and "finks hes a fantastic talent ", the owners are equally keen but unfortunately the ffp rules restrict them .
Shrek, his agent and his team of lawyers are adamant , he is a top player and as such deserves top wages , clearly it is a restraint of the fat granny shaggers human rights to negotiate in a free and competitive market and receive what he regards a fair price for his talents .
For shrek read any top striker in Europe who suddenly finds himself out of favour at one of the so called elite clubs , once the ffp rules come into play , only a very small number of clubs will even be able to afford the very top players , the players who are out of favour will be either forced to take large pay cuts or spend their time unwanted on the bench untill their value drops significantly and they become affordable , my guess is it wont be long before such a player challenges the ffp rules as a restraint of trade .

 

[stony]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

For the first time in a long time, a thread worth reading on bluemoon which is informative and hasn't descended into the normal bitching!
Only my opinion, but I suspect city will ensure they comply to the regulations for next year, and wait for another team to fall foul of the laws (one inevitably will) and challenge them. I guess City firmly believe (like the author of the article) the rules will be blown out by the ECJ -which will leave City in an incredibly strong position.

City can stand firm and say they complied with the rules when they were brought in, and truthfully say they had no involvement in trying to dismiss them for their own personal benefit. They will then have a clear run on doing exactly what they want. Meanwhille, until the rules are over-turned, we should have a squad capable of winning trophies domestically and compete in Europe. The future is very bright - I really don't understand the negativity in general on the forum - although I do appreciate the disappointment of this season (its only a temporary hangover - which still might end with the FA Cup!)

I think city are playing it perfectly by staying quiet, and have effectively given certain un-named clubs enough rope to hang themselves...

I think you'll find it's the same small group of posters who are making all the noise.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

People ask who will challenge the ffp rules through the eu courts , well in my opinion like the bosman it will be a dis-satisfied player .
Take the scenario , shrek has a major set to with bacon face , bacon face says " your going to rot in the reserves shrek , if i dont get the fee i want for you "
but unfortunately for shrek , none of the clubs with the financial ability to pay his fee plus his wages actually want him .
Harry over at QPR likes the lad and "finks hes a fantastic talent ", the owners are equally keen but unfortunately the ffp rules restrict them .
Shrek, his agent and his team of lawyers are adamant , he is a top player and as such deserves top wages , clearly it is a restraint of the fat granny shaggers human rights to negotiate in a free and competitive market and receive what he regards a fair price for his talents .
For shrek read any top striker in Europe who suddenly finds himself out of favour at one of the so called elite clubs , once the ffp rules come into play , only a very small number of clubs will even be able to afford the very top players , the players who are out of favour will be either forced to take large pay cuts or spend their time unwanted on the bench untill their value drops significantly and they become affordable , my guess is it wont be long before such a player challenges the ffp rules as a restraint of trade .

You are quite possibly right about a player challenging it, but not in the terms you mention. Not least because I'm struggling to imagine Taggart calling him Shrek to his face, as much as I'd love it to be true!

If Rooney is contracted to united, then subject to FIFA rules, they are entitled to play him as much or as little as they want, as long as they comply with the terms of the contract ie pay his wages etc.. He freely entered into that arrangement.

I can, however, see at some point FFP being challenged by a player as it could very well act as a restriction on the free movement of labour between EU member states, given the different income tax levels that operate in different countries and the fact that player wages can no longer be "subsidised" by clubs, as was the case previously.

This could act as a measure effectively stopping a player being able to move to a particular country to play with the same freedom as before, due to FFP. That is to say, that clubs in countries with lower income tax rates have a significant competitive advantage as a result of something imposed by UEFA. Surely this is not something that the EU could be comfortable with. Other high paid industries such as banking often operate on a 'net pay' basis, knowing that their top earners can command similar sums in other countries. FFP prevents this from happening and I reckon a well resourced and sufficiently motivated player could readily challenge it.

The resources and motivation could, of course, come from a number of sources.

 

[pirate]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

It stops people to invest their money as they find fit, regulates the market from central power and make it in no way free trading one and for someone who lived in communism for half of his life that's communist enough.

you dont really understand communism do you?<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:38 am --<br /><br />

its not ufea we have to watch!!!!!!
its the fucker back home who are going to do us over if we are not carefull!!!!!!

dont worry fella, read this bit of the article again

"If the ECJ were to declare FFP invalid, the ruling would hold for any FFP-based rules adopted at the national level. EU law also applies to restrictive practices that affect the territory of any single member state."