FFP - Why I believe we failed

[Dynamo11]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

Pretty disgraceful, fuck UEFA

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

No disrespect intended to PB, but I'm not sure why people are treating his posts on this matter as gospel. They are nothing more than assumptions and guesswork, which really is all they can be unless something official is released documenting the whole decision-making process. PB's assumptions and guesswork have proven to be wide of the mark a number of times throughout this whole debacle, so don't see why the opinions on this thread are given any more weight than the opinions posted by other people who are equally, or even more, well informed on the matter, who contradict PB's opinion and who actually have a better track record with their interpretation of these rules.

I'm not saying he is wrong, just that he isn't necessarily right either.

I'm not always right and I said my figures might not be right. But it is my informed opinion based on a number of things. I think I understand FFP better than most on here plus the club statement made it fairly clear what the point of disagreement was. So it could only be either they'd disallowed the whole £80m or part of it. I had initially assumed it was the latter but UEFA's guidance is crystal clear on that.

To let you into a little secret I had been told by someone I trust that the club were furious that UEFA had told them one thing and then done something different when the crunch came. I had assumed it was something to do with the IP sales (although I couldn't see how) but the club statement was the key. So I could be on the wrong track but I don't think I am on this.

I've amended the thread title accordingly.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

He's got more of an inside view into the clubs books than any other poster and has put a shitload of effort into explaining this to people on here since it was first announced (as far as I can tell, I'm only on here a wet day) ?
Nobody outside of the CFO's at the club and the CFCB could give you anything 100% on here anyway.

I have no idea if that's actually the case, but the evidence certainly doesn't support it as the opinions posted don't cover anything you couldn't form your own opinion on from the information made public by the club and UEFA. He also has, through no fault of his own I might add, previously misinterpreted the letter of the FFP rules, which surely doesn't strengthen my confidence in the interpretations given here. This interpretation and the associated assumptions may turn out to be correct but I'm not sure PB's opinion on it merits any more weight than the opinions of others, some of whom have previously interpreted the letter of the rules more accurately. More accurately, but still not completely accurately.

We don't do ourselves any favours if we give undue weight to a single person's opinion just because it in some way validates the narrative we want to push. There are other contradictory opinions that at least deserve equal weight and equal consideration.

Harsh in the extreme. Not sure how PB is supposed to legislate for UEFA being a load of bent, goalpost moving, cunts, in his reckonings

 

[deano ou812]

To be honest is anyone surprised by what uefa have done,the same organisation which if i recall fined us more money for being late back onto the pitch second half in a european match,compared to fines for clubs for racist chanting.....

 

[Irwell]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

I'm not always right and I said my figures might not be right. But it is my informed opinion based on a number of things. I think I understand FFP better than most on here plus the club statement made it fairly clear what the point of disagreement was. So it could only be either they'd disallowed the whole £80m or part of it. I had initially assumed it was the latter but UEFA's guidance is crystal clear on that.

To let you into a little secret I had been told by someone I trust that the club were furious that UEFA had told them one thing and then done something different when the crunch came. I had assumed it was something to do with the IP sales (although I couldn't see how) but the club statement was the key. So I could be on the wrong track but I don't think I am on this.

I'm not trying to discredit you, I appreciate seeing different opinions and interpretations on things like this and I wouldn't want you to think that my post was intended as a slight against you or an attempt to put you off posting your opinions and interpretations. My issue is more with some of the fawning over your posts and the fact many seem to be treating them as fact rather than as educated opinion. I've seen quotes taken from things you have said that have been used as facts in arguments, rather than simply being treated as the opinions they are.

Treating your opinion, or that of anyone else, as fact rather than opinion seems to be leading to us not giving due consideration to alternative interpretations. Look where that led us to last time, with most people on here confident we had definitely passed because they thought it was a fact. The guy from the Financial Fair Play site was slated on here because his opinion contradicted yours, but in the end his interpretation was actually just as close to reality. Neither interpretation was much closer than the other in the end, but only one was given much weight on here because it tied nicely into the narrative people had already written.

 

[Irwell]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

Harsh in the extreme. Not sure how PB is supposed to legislate for UEFA being a load of bent, goalpost moving, cunts, in his reckonings

The fact is that UEFA's interpretation of the rules fits in with the letter of the rules, as did our interpretation of them. As I'm trying to say, though, the possibility of other interpretations wasn't given due consideration as people were two busy fawning over PB's posts and treating them as gospel. It's a dangerous thing to rely on a single interpretation of a set of rules with no precedent to support that interpretation, but it's what a lot of people on here did.

 

[Shadz69]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

Harsh in the extreme. Not sure how PB is supposed to legislate for UEFA being a load of bent, goalpost moving, cunts, in his reckonings

The fact is that UEFA's interpretation of the rules fits in with the letter of the rules, as did our interpretation of them. As I'm trying to say, though, the possibility of other interpretations wasn't given due consideration as people were two busy fawning over PB's posts and treating them as gospel. It's a dangerous thing to rely on a single interpretation of a set of rules with no precedent to support that interpretation, but it's what a lot of people on here did.

Each and every time PB got something wrong he explained himself.He has consistently gone out of his way to try and help others understand the intricecies of this clusterfuck.He also has said all along a lot of his conclusions were based on guesstamations so he is pretty transparent in his reasons for posting what he does,trying to help other City fans understand what is going on.I don't mind if someone gets stuff a little off once they explain themselves.

 

[Irwell]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

Each and every time PB got something wrong he explained himself.He has consistently gone out of his way to try and help others understand the intricecies of this clusterfuck.He also has said all along a lot of his conclusions were based on guesstamations so he is pretty transparent in his reasons for posting what he does,trying to help other City fans understand what is going on.I don't mind if someone gets stuff a little off once they explain themselves.

Which is why I tried to state that my posts weren't meant as a slight against PB, rather against those fawning over his posts and quoting things he has said as if they are fact.

 

[Ducado]

Re: FFP - Why we failed

No disrespect intended to PB, but I'm not sure why people are treating his posts on this matter as gospel. They are nothing more than assumptions and guesswork, which really is all they can be unless something official is released documenting the whole decision-making process. PB's assumptions and guesswork have proven to be wide of the mark a number of times throughout this whole debacle, so don't see why the opinions on this thread are given any more weight than the opinions posted by other people who are equally, or even more, well informed on the matter, who contradict PB's opinion and who actually have a better track record with their interpretation of these rules.

I'm not saying he is wrong, just that he isn't necessarily right either.

Maybe one day you might offer as much to the forum as PB does, I know he has taken a large part of his own time researching this matter, and is certainley the most well informed member of this forum of matter FFP,

 

[CheethamHillBlue]

No disrespect to you, Irwell but i'd rather read what Prestwich Blue has to say about Club Finance/FFP etc than read criticism from someone who makes about 90% of their posts on the 'Name That Tune' thread. He doesn't always say it's 100% definite but generally, it's informed opinion. UEFA moving goalposts doesn't necessarily make PB wrong.
No disrespect intended