No disrespect but I think you're talking bollocks.Irwell said:I think this is the crux of my disagreement really. He might have an understanding of FFP, but my personal opinion is that he is not the most knowledgeable person on the forum in regard to FFP. Multiple times his opinion has been proven to be wrong and those of others has proven to be right whilst one of the more knowledgeable people who has been on here was ridiculed and hounded out because his opinion wasn't what we wanted to hear. He was wrong on some things too, nobody is perfect, but why would you spend your own valuable time debating with people who are just seeking to discredit you?Ducado said:Maybe one day you might offer as much to the forum as PB does, I know he has taken a large part of his own time researching this matter, and is certainley the most well informed member of this forum of matter FFP,
Spending a lot of time researching something doesn't necessarily mean you know more about it, nor does it make your opinion correct, it just gives you a better basis to form an opinion. Again, I'll state that this isn't intended as a slight against him. I appreciate PB's opinion on this stuff, and it certainly gives food for thought sometimes, but I wouldn't go so far as to categorise him as an expert in FFP.
The fact is that others with contradictory views, views that in the end proved to have merit, have been shouted down and pressured into not posting their opinions by the weight of opinion against them. The forum is all the weaker for that.
You are building a straw man to argue against I'm afraid as he isn't exactly my first choice when it comes to knowledge of FFP. The fact is, though, that anyone on here could quite quickly draw up a list of rules you have similarly misinterpreted. The only thing in that list that he can't really be excused is his understanding of the concept of related party transactions, which isn't really something that is open to interpretation. He is, however, an example of a person whose end conclusion proved to be as accurate as your own, despite his obvious misunderstandings. Had people cut him a bit of slack and made allowance for some of his misunderstandings and mistakes they might have seen that there was actually merit in his final conclusion as he provided a different perspective and an alternative interpretation.Prestwich_Blue said:If you're talking about Ed Thompson, the guy who blogged that we deliberately set out to fail FFP (which we didn't) that the Etihad deal would be disallowed (which it wasn't), that the fine would be deducted from our income for FFP (which it won't), that didn't understand that a related party transaction wasn't a UEFA invention (which it isn't) then you've placed your bet on the wrong horse.
That's uncalled for really.Prestwich_Blue said:I should go back to 'Name That Tune' if I were you mate.
All of which were posted over the course of about four days because I have been running a competition. Presumably, the fact you are pointing this out means there is something wrong with me running a competition on here? Does it in some way invalidate my opinion?CheethamHillBlue said:It's just after looking at your previous posts, there appears to be a few on this thread where you have responded to others and then page after page on Name That Tune.
I wouldn't want to. Like I've said, I enjoy reading his posts as I find them insightful. I just find it unfortunate that they are given so much comparative weight whilst opposing viewpoints are often ignored. A number of times I've seen people post what seems to be an alternative interpretation of an aspect of the rules, only for a number of people to tell the person they are wrong and start quoting things PB has said.CheethamHillBlue said:It appears that you may have an agenda against PB like one or two others on here seem to have. Why not just ignore him and let the people who enjoy reading what he posts do so in peace.
Ducado said:wayne71 said:After spending months reading what the so called ITK posters said regarding FFP I've come to the conclusion you have about as much clue as the rest of us. Stop talking shit.
Hmmmm
de niro said:its all bollocks, we failed ffp because we are Manchester city. they have been after us from the off. lying cheating mard arse cunts. "fair play" ? protecting the cartel more like. they are fooling no one.
Are you on drugs?Irwell said:I think this is the crux of my disagreement really. He might have an understanding of FFP, but my personal opinion is that he is not the most knowledgeable person on the forum in regard to FFP. Multiple times his opinion has been proven to be wrong and those of others has proven to be right whilst one of the more knowledgeable people who has been on here was ridiculed and hounded out because his opinion wasn't what we wanted to hear. He was wrong on some things too, nobody is perfect, but why would you spend your own valuable time debating with people who are just seeking to discredit you?Ducado said:Maybe one day you might offer as much to the forum as PB does, I know he has taken a large part of his own time researching this matter, and is certainley the most well informed member of this forum of matter FFP,
Spending a lot of time researching something doesn't necessarily mean you know more about it, nor does it make your opinion correct, it just gives you a better basis to form an opinion. Again, I'll state that this isn't intended as a slight against him. I appreciate PB's opinion on this stuff, and it certainly gives food for thought sometimes, but I wouldn't go so far as to categorise him as an expert in FFP.
The fact is that others with contradictory views, views that in the end proved to have merit, have been shouted down and pressured into not posting their opinions by the weight of opinion against them. The forum is all the weaker for that.
Chippy_boy said:de niro said:its all bollocks, we failed ffp because we are Manchester city. they have been after us from the off. lying cheating mard arse cunts. "fair play" ? protecting the cartel more like. they are fooling no one.
Which is why we might be foolish to think this is now done and dusted.
No disrespect to PB and others, but we were all told countless times that we would get through unpunished this year based on the pre-2010 contract exemption clause. And look what happened - they fucked us over in a way no-one was predicting, least alone the club.
So what travesty awaits next season? We can only imagine. If anyone tells me to "relax, our passing next season is a done deal", please excuse me for taking any such reassurance with a huge pinch of salt.
Not right now, are you? I imagine there is a thread in the cellar to discuss this subject if you want to.The Flash said:Are you on drugs?