FIFA delegates getting their cummupence! Blatter GONE today.

[bluethrunthru]

In some ways I admire his stubbornness and his "don't give a feck" attitude, no politically correct bollox like the world is full of today with sheep and clones. Atleast he has personality even if it is of a control freak.

Aye you have to love a good dictator don't you - sorry but the man has dragged the organisation totally into disrepute - there is nothing to admire about how he has and continues to behave.

 

[Malty]

To be fair, I do think some of Blatter's ideas to improve football are pretty good, such as skimpier clothes on the women.

I don't wish the man dead like some. Football is fecked with or without him at the helm, the bubble was always going to burst eventually. He's the chosen scapegoat. Under his leadership, football has reached heights never seen before. So you can't discredit his achievements and only focus on the negatives, that isn't fair. A bit of balance needed here. He might be a horrible person but he's pretty good at his job.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I can't discredit a specific figure unless you give me a specific source. Not "somebody that I saw on the telly". Numbers, data, something tangible.

I can't discredit a specific figure unless you give me a specific source. Not "somebody that I saw on the telly". Numbers, data, something tangible.

??? Specific source - C4 News - Alex Thompson - numbers figures and details etc are all in that report - a reputable journalist working for a reputable news organisation hardly " something I saw on telly" Damocles.

One way to discredit would be to state "your" figure on the death toll.If you don't think Mr Thompson is correct what do you think is the death toll and where do you get that number from so it can be verified?

I still also say one is too high a number.

 

[Damocles]

??? Specific source - C4 News - Alex Thompson - numbers figures and details etc are all in that report - a reputable journalist working for a reputable news organisation hardly " something I saw on telly" Damocles.

One way to discredit would be to state "your" figure on the death toll.If you don't think Mr Thompson is correct what do you think is the death toll and where do you get that number from so it can be verified?

I still also say one is too high a number.

I presume you'll be annoyed at every sporting event in the history of mankind then

I don't know what Thompson said. But you should tell me what exactly the specific point is.

Again, I can't argue something that nobody has said?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I presume you'll be annoyed at every sporting event in the history of mankind then

I don't know what Thompson said. But you should tell me what exactly the specific point is.

Again, I can't argue something that nobody has said?

He's read my handbook on debating, don't bang your head too hard.

 

[eversince 76]

Blatter's fault? How come I am hearing he was the one who voted USA instead of Qatar? I am not really sure about this though but can you really say it was his fault that Qatar won the World cup bid?

The constant bleating about Quatar getting the vote is simply copying the British biased media. If it was Abu Dhabi no-one on here would make a sound.

The fact that small FA's without any money kept voting for this senile Swiss frog who keeps pretending he knew nothing of any bribing is a sad enough development as it is and typifies how sick FIFA and football is.

And this French tweet Pratini thinking he can win over sympathy by choosing the side of most European FA's, clubs and their fans is as bad as the corps that leads FIFA.

What a feckin great day for football.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I presume you'll be annoyed at every sporting event in the history of mankind then

I don't know what Thompson said. But you should tell me what exactly the specific point is.

Again, I can't argue something that nobody has said?

Its sad that for a sport you love and for the sake of fellow mens lives you are reluctant to make a couple of clicks and spare 4 minutes or so of your life Damocles.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[aguero93:20]

Its sad that for a sport you love and for the sake of fellow mens lives you are reluctant to make a couple of clicks and spare 4 minutes or so of your life Damocles.

4 minutes? Ha.

 

[Damocles]

Its sad that for a sport you love and for the sake of fellow mens lives you are reluctant to make a couple of clicks and spare 4 minutes or so of your life Damocles.

It's much more sad that in a sport you love you haven't bothered to find out the truth yourself and have the courage to fight against an echo chamber

 

[bluethrunthru]

It's much more sad that in a sport you love you haven't bothered to find out the truth yourself and have the courage to fight against an echo chamber

Rightho - you going to report C4 News to the press complaints committee or shall I?

 

[aguero93:20]

Rightho - you going to report C4 News to the press complaints committee or shall I?

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/so-ive-been-looking-into-this-whole-qatar-thing.312970/

4 minutes, actually read into the figures and check them yourself. 4 minutes, that's all.

 

[bluethrunthru]

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/so-ive-been-looking-into-this-whole-qatar-thing.312970/

4 minutes, actually read into the figures and check them yourself. 4 minutes, that's all.

OK - so my argument was based upon a TV news report from tonights C4 news - this was countered by your reference to a series of statistics in a posting gathered by Damocles who was disputing what was in tonights TV news report. It seems that report cannot be trusted " as it was just seen on the TV " but the sources of Damocles research is somehow beyond reproach?

Still doesn't alter a couple of facts though does it?

Which ever way you cut it - and thats even if you accept that the death rate amongst immigrant Indians in Qatar is on a percentage basis ( not in number ) comparable to that on all UK building sites that somehow means thats all fine and dandy. If a few immigrants die along the way then hey you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs eh? I still point to the fact that had it come to England we could point to a track record of bringing the other major world sporting event to this country, building the Olympic park and managing not to kill anybody in the process. Maybe our extra expenditure on Health and Safety meant we could only run to a watch as a "gift" to the delegates. I take it from your inference that a few hundred deaths in the great big scheme of things is an acceptable level?

Secondly - to get back to my original point which has been skillfully masked by diverting the argument - FIFA as an organisation is responsible in its bidding process to ensure that each country bidding includes things like budget, time to build, legacy and Health and Safety of construction workers, staff and participants in the tournament. I would say they have failed in number one lets see how they do on two and three. However given the onus is on them to at least accept a bid that won't result in worker deaths - or if it does to hold the successful bidders to account for the deaths - the failure of FIFA to do so reflects badly on its organisation and usually that means the guy at the top accepts the blame - Jesus even Fred the Shed and Bob Diamond left RBS and Barclays !!

We obviously won't agree but I still say that Sepp Blatter's re-election today is an indicator of all that is wrong with FIFA and that is being played out on the stage that is the Qatar World Cup - and may I remind you that Qatar put a bid in for the World Cup to run June -July 2022. They won against countries that also bid for that World Cup. They are going to hold the World Cup in Nov - Dec 2022 - that tournament was never put out to tender - that tournament was never the subject of any bids - those dates were never part of the tendering process.

And that will be my last word on the matter

 

[Pam]

If we are going to argue about the folly of awarding the 2022 tournament to Qatar, we need to take the following into consideration:- here is a link from a Guardian article. The title of the piece is:-

Michel Platini admits politics played part in Qatar 2022 World Cup win

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/20/michel-platini-politics-qatar-2022-world-cup

The article linked above is from 2013 and describes what seem to have been some objections Blatter had about Uefa's role in the Qatar fiasco The Europeans seem to be more culpable than Blatter on this score and although Blatter should go, it's just as important to take more note of UEFA's behaviour. It's a pity that the self-serving, Machiavellian little troll that is Twatini is being allowed to swan about like he is Mr. Ethics. He could show his boss a thing or two when it comes to teflon.

Then there's this article from the Telegraph last year:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...2-France-embroiled-in-corruption-scandal.html

No fucker in the media seems to be reporting any of this now.

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

OK - so my argument was based upon a TV news report from tonights C4 news - this was countered by your reference to a series of statistics in a posting gathered by Damocles who was disputing what was in tonights TV news report. It seems that report cannot be trusted " as it was just seen on the TV " but the sources of Damocles research is somehow beyond reproach?

Still doesn't alter a couple of facts though does it?

Which ever way you cut it - and thats even if you accept that the death rate amongst immigrant Indians in Qatar is on a percentage basis ( not in number ) comparable to that on all UK building sites that somehow means thats all fine and dandy. If a few immigrants die along the way then hey you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs eh? I still point to the fact that had it come to England we could point to a track record of bringing the other major world sporting event to this country, building the Olympic park and managing not to kill anybody in the process. Maybe our extra expenditure on Health and Safety meant we could only run to a watch as a "gift" to the delegates. I take it from your inference that a few hundred deaths in the great big scheme of things is an acceptable level?

Secondly - to get back to my original point which has been skillfully masked by diverting the argument - FIFA as an organisation is responsible in its bidding process to ensure that each country bidding includes things like budget, time to build, legacy and Health and Safety of construction workers, staff and participants in the tournament. I would say they have failed in number one lets see how they do on two and three. However given the onus is on them to at least accept a bid that won't result in worker deaths - or if it does to hold the successful bidders to account for the deaths - the failure of FIFA to do so reflects badly on its organisation and usually that means the guy at the top accepts the blame - Jesus even Fred the Shed and Bob Diamond left RBS and Barclays !!

We obviously won't agree but I still say that Sepp Blatter's re-election today is an indicator of all that is wrong with FIFA and that is being played out on the stage that is the Qatar World Cup - and may I remind you that Qatar put a bid in for the World Cup to run June -July 2022. They won against countries that also bid for that World Cup. They are going to hold the World Cup in Nov - Dec 2022 - that tournament was never put out to tender - that tournament was never the subject of any bids - those dates were never part of the tendering process.

And that will be my last word on the matter

Cant seem to turn to or find any neutral reporting on the Fifa situation. Ultimately comes down to the yanks being pissed off and humiliated that pants down Clinton and big boy Kissinger could not bring the world cup back to the USA. How dare an Arab nation hosts it ahead of them or their friends the Aussies.

I for one am glad that Blatter is in place rather than some other future self appointed prick like Platini.

The ignorant flock following media reporting how great UEFA is- these are guys that fined countries like Italy, Spain, Croatia, Serbia a few grand for racist abuse and chanting yet bring in FFP to protect their own self interests. People in the French FA actively telling management not to play too many black players. And did UEFA not give Israel the under 21 tournament last year- the country ethnically cleansing the original population from its own land and murdering women and children for opposing occupation ! Sky never reporting on single opposition nor did the BBC to the holding of the tournament!

I think Cantona reecently described "Platini" as the diarrhea and Blatter as the cancer-bit harsh on Blatter!

The FIFA corruption crisis came just as its annual congress was due to debate a motion calling for Israel to be suspended from world
Football.
What a coincidence
http://bit.ly/1SBZaEZ

I for one am glad for Blatter!

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

If we're going to argue about Qatar can't we just go back to the simple fact which is...

Qatar has contributed precisely fuck all in the grand scheme of things to football and doesn't deserve to host a World Cup on that basis.

Simple as.

 

[Malty]

Has David Gill stepped down yet like he promised or is he just as spineless as the rest of the FA with their empty promises? put up or shut up.

The FA has had a very rude awakening that Little England isn't as powerful as we like to think in the grand scheme of the World. Now they are backtracking, we will play in the World Cup.. Greg Dyke sucking off the U.S Fraud authorities.

 

[aguero93:20]

OK - so my argument was based upon a TV news report from tonights C4 news - this was countered by your reference to a series of statistics in a posting gathered by Damocles who was disputing what was in tonights TV news report. It seems that report cannot be trusted " as it was just seen on the TV " but the sources of Damocles research is somehow beyond reproach?

Still doesn't alter a couple of facts though does it?

Which ever way you cut it - and thats even if you accept that the death rate amongst immigrant Indians in Qatar is on a percentage basis ( not in number ) comparable to that on all UK building sites that somehow means thats all fine and dandy. If a few immigrants die along the way then hey you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs eh? I still point to the fact that had it come to England we could point to a track record of bringing the other major world sporting event to this country, building the Olympic park and managing not to kill anybody in the process. Maybe our extra expenditure on Health and Safety meant we could only run to a watch as a "gift" to the delegates. I take it from your inference that a few hundred deaths in the great big scheme of things is an acceptable level?

Secondly - to get back to my original point which has been skillfully masked by diverting the argument - FIFA as an organisation is responsible in its bidding process to ensure that each country bidding includes things like budget, time to build, legacy and Health and Safety of construction workers, staff and participants in the tournament. I would say they have failed in number one lets see how they do on two and three. However given the onus is on them to at least accept a bid that won't result in worker deaths - or if it does to hold the successful bidders to account for the deaths - the failure of FIFA to do so reflects badly on its organisation and usually that means the guy at the top accepts the blame - Jesus even Fred the Shed and Bob Diamond left RBS and Barclays !!

We obviously won't agree but I still say that Sepp Blatter's re-election today is an indicator of all that is wrong with FIFA and that is being played out on the stage that is the Qatar World Cup - and may I remind you that Qatar put a bid in for the World Cup to run June -July 2022. They won against countries that also bid for that World Cup. They are going to hold the World Cup in Nov - Dec 2022 - that tournament was never put out to tender - that tournament was never the subject of any bids - those dates were never part of the tendering process.

And that will be my last word on the matter

2. 2 deaths. Not 0.

 

[Gray]

Has David Gill stepped down yet like he promised or is he just as spineless as the rest of the FA with their empty promises? put up or shut up.

The FA has had a very rude awakening that Little England isn't as powerful as we like to think in the grand scheme of the World. Now they are backtracking, we will play in the World Cup.. Greg Dyke sucking off the U.S Fraud authorities.

No of cause not, they are all part of the cabal.

England might as well leave FIFA as we have no F'ing chance of ever winning the World Cup again.

 

[City Raider]

Press reporting Gill has stepped down.