FIFA delegates getting their cummupence! Blatter GONE today.

Just to be clear, who has been bribing the arrested delegates ?
Is it the Countries bidding for the WC, is it misuse of FIFA donations for that geographical area or is it somewhere else they are getting cash from ?
 
True. But look at it this way, Blatter is an incompetent fool who has allowed people to be bribed. Bribed in such a way where the relevant authorities will take them down. Platini/UEFA is a competent politician whose ultimate goal is to concentrate power in the hands of the few, the super rich and the super influential. No outside force can stop this from happening.

Today was a victory for democracy, if somewhat clouded. Or a better way of looking at it is that today was a victory for hope. With Blatter in charge we have hope of a cleaned up and fair FIFA. With Ali in charge we had no hope.

I agree that today was a victory for democracy: the smaller countries weren't intimidated by their European paymasters or the American authorities but sadly I can't see anything changing.

I don't know anything about Ali so whether he would or wouldn't have been a force for change either good or bad I can't comment on.

I think it's fairly obvious that Blatter isn't an incompetent fool. He wouldn't have got to be head of FIFA in the first place if he was and its stretching credibility to suggest he didn't have a good idea of what was going on. In his favour he has done a lot of good for the smaller. poorer, countries around the world. The cynic in me says that he has done this to build a powerbase for himself but without doubt not everything has been bad "on his watch". He's tried to make the game genuinely global rather than essentially European & South American.

On balance I think it was time for change and Ali may have brought that but democracy did prevail and I accept the result.
 
So same as usual then? I can't see this ever going away, The corruption runs so deep it would take a total overhaul to put right. They'll be no reform under Blatter. The only way you can ever see anything changing is via the nuclear option of breaking away from Fifa. Unfortunately, there's nobody in football with the balls to be the first to do that. Greg Dyke certainly doesn't have the balls to do anything as drastic as that. He just loves to make empty threats
 
I agree that today was a victory for democracy: the smaller countries weren't intimidated by their European paymasters or the American authorities but sadly I can't see anything changing.

I don't know anything about Ali so whether he would or wouldn't have been a force for change either good or bad I can't comment on.

I think it's fairly obvious that Blatter isn't an incompetent fool. He wouldn't have got to be head of FIFA in the first place if he was and its stretching credibility to suggest he didn't have a good idea of what was going on. In his favour he has done a lot of good for the smaller. poorer, countries around the world. The cynic in me says that he has done this to build a powerbase for himself but without doubt not everything has been bad "on his watch". He's tried to make the game genuinely global rather than essentially European & South American.

On balance I think it was time for change and Ali may have brought that but democracy did prevail and I accept the result.

Just to be clear, when I call him an incompetent fool I don't believe he isn't a good politician - nobody rises to that level without being so, only that his only end is power for the sake of power for himself. It's the type of power easily deposed by shining lights from relevant Governments and this is starting to happen.

I don't really know who I fancy for the top chair to really get things moving. Certainly not a Platini backed candidate. Maybe Sunil Gulati from the US? He's pretty new to the higher echelons which might be in his favour, isn't tainted by the Blazer corruption and did good work over in the States in building the foundations. On top of that he's an American so can be a populist candidate whilst retaining a strong moral centre though I don't think he's really in the league of the top players yet and also an Indian which gives him a non-Western flavour. Anybody who isn't Platini, Gill, Villar, Ali, Beckenbauer or their preferred candidates will do for me really. The rest of the world seemed to also recognise the danger of putting a UEFA backed candidate up top and voted against it.

We might need a whole new fresh face and there doesn't seem to be too many going through the ranks
 
Greg Dyke is all mouth and no action.

Just an old man who thinks he can mix it in the big league with the real big bigs of World Football.

If England want to boycott the World Cup then do it, the rest of the World won't miss them. Football is a World game modern football is awash with money which dictates it (and let's not pretend the FA are innocent when there's alleged reports of England corruption), and little Englanders need to realise it.

I suspect England will eat humble pie (again) and play in the World Cup, as usual, empty threats from the British.

The U.S FBI in their fancy suits and blazers are the ones who deserve praise for not doing empty threats but action. The World police on everything, the world leaders.
 
Just to be clear, when I call him an incompetent fool I don't believe he isn't a good politician - nobody rises to that level without being so, only that his only end is power for the sake of power for himself. It's the type of power easily deposed by shining lights from relevant Governments and this is starting to happen.

I don't really know who I fancy for the top chair to really get things moving. Certainly not a Platini backed candidate. Maybe Sunil Gulati from the US? He's pretty new to the higher echelons which might be in his favour, isn't tainted by the Blazer corruption and did good work over in the States in building the foundations. On top of that he's an American so can be a populist candidate whilst retaining a strong moral centre though I don't think he's really in the league of the top players yet and also an Indian which gives him a non-Western flavour. Anybody who isn't Platini, Gill, Villar, Ali, Beckenbauer or their preferred candidates will do for me really. The rest of the world seemed to also recognise the danger of putting a UEFA backed candidate up top and voted against it.

We might need a whole new fresh face and there doesn't seem to be too many going through the ranks

Jail the lot under RICO for common enterprise for life and start again from scratch, we'll have a bit of a power vacuum for a while but in the long run we'll be better off.
 
Ambush of Butthurtery

This whole debacle reminds me of Eurovision Song Contest: Every one always complains and laments about other countries voting for their neighbors and how it is all strategic. However, when their time comes to vote, they more or less do the same thing i.e vote for their neigbours and nonchalantly go on as if nothing has happened and continue complaining about how the contest is rigged or pathetic without accepting or acknowledging the the fact that they are part of the same hypocrisy. UEFA seems to be doing the same thing here.

Lets face it, this all about geopolitics and economics- it is all about money and the power of FIFA, which is why dark organisations such as the FBI and thing are getting involved. How convenient that this spring operation , I call it Spring/ Ambush of Butthurtery ,an ambush from the FBI and UEFA happened just before the election was carried out. It was a last minute desperate attempt to make sure that Sepp Blatter is shocked to resign by the sheer force of the revelations and the reactions to it by the media. I mean it is rather intriguing that this story dominated the media in the US and in UK and other parts of Europe. ESPN ran an E60 show and another show just after our match with Toronto inorder to affix the narrative into the mind of the masses that FIFA is corrupt and Sepp Blatter is the evil Sith abomination that is the cause of it and must be taken out. They try to shock him into resignation by using their influence in the media, and connections with other institutions to get him out but it did not work. Why? Blatter knows the game and knows exactly what is happening and the truth is that America, UK, UEFA as a whole are just butt hurt that they did not get their entitlement when they bid for the world cup and they want to take Blatter out with all the power they've got. I like it when they squirm and realize this is a world thing and that FIFA, unlike other organizations e.g UN, IMF and such do not revolve around them....not anymore.

FIFA is definitely corrupt, no doubt about it.But lets be real, open minded and not be hypocrites, tribal or take sides and realize that UEFA is also corrupt and they have no bases to stand on when it comes to fighting for change because their agenda is all about them, them, them, "we have all the money, we have all the better competitions and thus the world must answer to us, because we are awesome" well reality check, FIFA does not revolve around UEFA and Sepp Blatter is not a respecter of persons, institutions, royalty or any force or juggernaut that has been incessantly used to bully him into getting their own way. I mean look at the corruption in the FFP regulations. The whole point was to maintain the status quo and keep new challengers like us from challenging the so called elite clubs. They want to keep all the money and glory amongst the few so called elite clubs while others bow down and acknowledge. That was why the FFP was set up. Platini and UEFA are now realizing that it is not achieving their dark and corrupt objectives and as a matter of fact might actually back fire on them and those clubs that he is trying to corruptly protect may end up getting done by the FFP rules. That is why he is now backing up, backing up, backing up, baacccking up out of this FFP folly.

We need change in FIFA, Sepp Blatter will go eventually but there needs to be someone that is fair, open minded, strong and knows the world and understands that every body is in the same boat. Not a former footballer like Platini, with the mentality of "UEFA first, Europe must rule and we are better" That is something I am vehemently and wholeheartedly against. Perhaps Prince Ali was the guy or maybe just a puppet but the reality is that we need someone to step up that has all the qualities to rule this ginormous global organization and hopefully fight corruption and clean the sport because nobody wants to see it in our game even though it is a reality of this fallen world spoiled with greed, selfishness and lust for money and power.
 
Jail the lot under RICO for common enterprise for life and start again from scratch, we'll have a bit of a power vacuum for a while but in the long run we'll be better off.

RICO is an interesting concept for FIFA. Good idea actually.
 
If UEFA do withdraw from FIFA how does that leave clubs with footballers originally from say Africa or Argentina ?
Do we as a club have to release the players they pick for International Tournaments ?
 
It;s like this, the Yanks have Fifa in their sights now, they won't survive this in tact, they can put a brave face on you can call the yanks for many things but they are very big in fact huge on anti graft and so they should be it's not fair, graft and corruption kills competition and ultimately destroys what should be vibrant economies. FIFA's biggest sponsors are huge American companies this will not end well for FIFA
 
Yeah not usually a fan of that piece of legislation but greater good, end justifies the means etc.

The Banks seem to have been involved as well but for separate offences they seem to get away with regular (ie repeat offences) massive fines ie no CEO's jailed etc..
Why should we expect different for FIFA ?
 
The Banks seem to have been involved as well but for separate offences they seem to get away with regular (ie repeat offences) massive fines ie no CEO's jailed etc..
Why should we expect different for FIFA ?

Because our governments don't rely on FIFA to help them administer their taxation system?
 
If this was a UEFA/USA power grab of some description, they have miscalculated in not boycotting the election altogether. For the Euro-centrics to agree to participate and then lose validates the decision to go ahead with the election in the first place and limits their options now that Blatter is apparently back for another four years. It makes Twatini look weak. Apparently he refused to be interviewed and has issued a terse statement congratulating his man for losing. Hasn't been a great month for him really.
 
If UEFA do withdraw from FIFA how does that leave clubs with footballers originally from say Africa or Argentina ?
Do we as a club have to release the players they pick for International Tournaments ?

I'm guessing that the game would split in 2. All UEFA countries, clubs and players would be banned from FIFA competitions.

A player like Aguero would have to decide whether to play for City or Argentina. Since all the money is in Europe the vast majority of non European players would still play here and be essentially rebels like the top cricketers in the Kerry Packer era.

I still think that UEFA won't dare boycott Russia 2018. Russia is a UEFA member and Gazprom a major sponsor. Qatar 2022 is the tournament that they would boycott. It will destroy 3 seasons apparently in terms of having to reschedule club matches. There's just too much money at stake to do that. UEFA is dominated by the clubs and not the nations unlike the other confederations.

I'm thinking UEFA would make the European Championships a bi-annual event with guest nations invited. The USA would obviously follow UEFA's lead and drop out of FIFA as would Australia. The big question would be could UEFA also persuade Brazil and or Argentina to join them? Since money shouts rather than talks I'm guessing they might especially if their best players have already voted with their feet.

The whole thing would be terrible for football, essentially putting it back to where it was in the 50s or 60s where it wasn't really a global game. Personally I'd be amazed if it goes that far. I can't see Qatar hosting in 2022.
 
It;s like this, the Yanks have Fifa in their sights now, they won't survive this in tact, they can put a brave face on you can call the yanks for many things but they are very big in fact huge on anti graft and so they should be it's not fair, graft and corruption kills competition and ultimately destroys what should be vibrant economies. FIFA's biggest sponsors are huge American companies this will not end well for FIFA
Ohhhh like those american companies were not making a hell of money with fifa there are even some suspisious cases. This bubble will burst after few days the yankes likes hollywood drama
 
I'm guessing that the game would split in 2. All UEFA countries, clubs and players would be banned from FIFA competitions.

A player like Aguero would have to decide whether to play for City or Argentina. Since all the money is in Europe the vast majority of non European players would still play here and be essentially rebels like the top cricketers in the Kerry Packer era.

I still think that UEFA won't dare boycott Russia 2018. Russia is a UEFA member and Gazprom a major sponsor. Qatar 2022 is the tournament that they would boycott. It will destroy 3 seasons apparently in terms of having to reschedule club matches. There's just too much money at stake to do that. UEFA is dominated by the clubs and not the nations unlike the other confederations.

I'm thinking UEFA would make the European Championships a bi-annual event with guest nations invited. The USA would obviously follow UEFA's lead and drop out of FIFA as would Australia. The big question would be could UEFA also persuade Brazil and or Argentina to join them? Since money shouts rather than talks I'm guessing they might especially if their best players have already voted with their feet.

The whole thing would be terrible for football, essentially putting it back to where it was in the 50s or 60s where it wasn't really a global game. Personally I'd be amazed if it goes that far. I can't see Qatar hosting in 2022
How they would boycott it and their boss platini voted for qatar the same with spain add to that all the qatar money involved in europe ? Its just a bubble for other reasons which is mote power for uefa in fifa simple they dont want one country one vote.
 

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