FIFA World Cup Corruption Fiasco

blue b4 the moon said:
Bottom line is that the Qatar bid especially was not logical. No infrastructure, temperature issues etc. There would be little/no reason for all those delegates to vote for them unless the criteria was brown envelopes or pressure from above.

The 'agenda' is alive on FIFA as well as UEFA.
Of course it wasn't logical. Even FIFA labelled it high-risk and our bid was also deemed the best technically. Yet we fell out in the first round of voting and they won. Many delegates admitted that they didn't even read the technical documents, which implies they'd made their minds up long beforehand. Of course it was bent.

Imagine a large organisation putting a contract out to tender for, say, IT desktop support for 10,000 users. The company that wins has 5 employees and has no experience of supporting more than 10 users. You'd smell a rat straight away.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
blue b4 the moon said:
Bottom line is that the Qatar bid especially was not logical. No infrastructure, temperature issues etc. There would be little/no reason for all those delegates to vote for them unless the criteria was brown envelopes or pressure from above.

The 'agenda' is alive on FIFA as well as UEFA.
Of course it wasn't logical. Even FIFA labelled it high-risk and our bid was also deemed the best technically. Yet we fell out in the first round of voting and they won. Many delegates admitted that they didn't even read the technical documents, which implies they'd made their minds up long beforehand. Of course it was bent.

Imagine a large organisation putting a contract out to tender for, say, IT desktop support for 10,000 users. The company that wins has 5 employees and has no experience of supporting more than 10 users. You'd smell a rat straight away.

Or a government department !
 
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/15/fifa-uefa-world-cup-germany-football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football</a>

Nice to know the German FA is also speaking out about this.
 
this has been resurrected on SS to further discomfit the FA Bid Leader Andy Anson and his cohorts, - they played the corrupt game but weren't very good at it

England's World Cup fiasco and the 13 members of FIFA that the bid chief said were 'buyable'
UPDATED: 01:14, 5 December 2010


On Monday, January 11, this year, a dinner party was held in a private room of the InterContinental hotel in Mayfair. Among those present were a couple of senior civil servants, a representative of the Cabinet Office, three or four journalists and the leading members of the England World Cup 2018 bid team.
When the meal was over, there was a discussion about the prospects of the bid. The chief executive, Andy Anson, was asked about rumours of corruption among the FIFA executive committee who would decide England's fate.
We expected him to mumble evasive platitudes and we were unprepared for his devastating candour. He said that he and his team had given the matter much thought and they had concluded that, of the 24 voting members, 'at least 13 are buyable'.
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Watching brief: Andy Anson (right) with David Beckham and Lord Coe


His colleagues coughed loudly and fixed him with incinerating glares. Somebody explained that the notion of 'buying' delegates had never crossed English minds. Anson realised the import of his remark and started to retract. Later, we were spun the line that things had been said which could easily be taken the wrong way.
Nobody really thought anybody at FIFA was 'buyable'. Perish the thought. It has been a great evening. Time to move on. On the way home, I thought about Anson's indiscretion. How did he know which members were 'buyable'? What kind of research had they done to reach such a conclusion? Had the matter been raised with FIFA's so-called 'ethics committee'?
And which nation was most likely to 'buy' them? If these people were so blatantly for sale, then somebody must be preparing to pay their price.
Something else crossed my mind, something genuinely shocking: if this allegation was to be made public, then the bid would be dead in the water.
Imagine how FIFA might greet the news that the chief executive of one of the leading contenders had flatly asserted that a clear majority of their electoral college was potentially corrupt.
And imagine how the members might react when Anson and his colleagues came seeking their votes. The entire project would have been instantly abandoned at a price of £15 million, plus a daunting if unquantifiable cost to national pride and sporting self-respect. Aware of the stakes, we swallowed hard and respected the confidence.
We 'moved on'. The conversations had been conducted on an off-therecord basis and that agreement was honoured by the media representatives present that evening.
In truth, the ensuing months brought some difficult dilemmas. Why were Anson and his chums making such bold forecasts of success in a race which, deep down, they knew to be fixed? Why were they allowing England to take part in a rigged contest?
And why were they prostrating themselves before these preposterous people when they so clearly believed that all the relevant riders had been nobbled? It seemed not only nonsensical but actually dishonourable.
And yet, we had consented to secrecy and we kept the bargain.Enlarge
Heartbreak: Sepp Blatter reveals Russia's 2018 success

Then, in the final weeks before the vote, significant developments emerged. The Sunday Times, keen rivals of this newspaper, conducted a meticulous investigation which established that two members had attempted to sell their votes.
So convincing were the findings that both members were suspended. Instead of celebrating this triumph, the England bid team wrote a wretchedly humiliating letter to FIFA, in which they distanced themselves from the revelations and referred to the suspended rascals as 'our friends'.
Then came Panorama, which the England bid feared and dreaded as a boat-rocking, truth-telling exercise. Anson declared that the BBC had 'embarrassed themselves'. He condemned the Corporation for being 'sensationalist' and 'unpatriotic' before he had actually seen the programme.
I watched it in the half-light of a Brisbane dawn. It was overly dramatic yet stunningly effective. Its charges of corruption and profiteering were solid and serious and they reached the upper slopes of the organisation. Anson's attempts to belittle them said far more about the English bid than they did about the BBC's accusations.
Because he was not surprised. Not really. He knew, or believed he knew, that 'at least 13 are buyable'.
Yet there was a protocol to be observed, a tawdry fiction to be played out. So tug the forelock, bend the knee and smear the messengers.
If you were searching for a word to describe the strategy, then 'contemptible' might suffice.
And the real sadness is that the bid was terrific. By every conceivable measure, England had earned the right to stage the tournament. Forget all other considerations; this is the land where football was born and where it is most dearly cherished. This is the country which would have done it justice.
It was never given the chance. Instead, we had Vladimir Putin lecturing us on Press freedom, an experience bizarre beyond satire. We had David Beckham speaking eloquently and poignantly in a cause long since lost.
We had apparently experienced canvassers throwing up their hands in naive alarm when they discovered that Jack Warner, of Trinidad, was deeply duplicitous. And, even worse than the selection of mob-run Russia, we had Qatar chosen as hosts for 2022. Qatar: it is like playing a Test series in Dodge City.
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Winners: Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, Emir of Qatar, left, and Sheika Mozah woman Nasser al-Misned hold the World Cup trophy
Qatar: a medieval emirate with a despicable record on human rights and an average July high of 115 degrees Fahrenheit. And oil revenues. Squillions of oil money, which played absolutely no part in FIFA's deliberations.

If it were not such a farce, it would be a grave scandal. Yet this is the club which England was so shabbily desperate to join.
There are many things wrong with our national game and this may be a chance for some intelligent scrutiny. The fact that the Premier League were not conspicuously disappointed by England's failure to win the bid should not escape notice.
That bloated, crony-ridden association of corporate chancers have routinely enriched themselves at the expense of the sport. Sweeping reform is overdue.
Similarly at the FA; cowed by the Premier League, plagued by timeservers and incapable of providing the game with the guidance it requires. The Sports Minister, Hugh Robertson, wants the FA to be run by independent executives. It should not be an aspiration but a demand.
Then there is the quality of the individuals who hold such sway yet deliver so little. Geoff Thompson, risibly anonymous when he chaired the FA, is currently our representative at FIFA. Is he really the best we can do? And 'Sir' Dave Richards; a man of miniscule talent, thinly spread. Is there another country which would tolerate somebody so utterly unsuited to high office?
But we do and we should not. And neither should we tolerate the self-serving myths which these people seek to spread. I return to the wretched Anson, as he seeks to excuse his own ineptitude.
'This is not an excuse at all,' he told a Press conference after the vote. 'What they (FIFA) are saying to us is that our media killed us. I don't believe that. I don't believe it for one minute. In the last week, FIFA executive members are saying to us that our media is killing us. That's not our words, by the way.'
It is pathetic, timorous, self-deluding drivel from a man who privately believes that 13 FIFA voters were 'buyable'.
It is bad enough that we lost, far worse that we so lightly shed integrity and self-respect. That is why I break his confidence and publish his deception. I have no regrets. I doubt that Andy Anson could make a similar claim.

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335694/Patrick-Collins-Englands-World-Cup-fiasco-13-members-FIFA-bid-chief-said-buyable.html#ixzz3JF299DZg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z3JF299DZg</a>
 
M18CTID said:
super_city_si said:
M18CTID said:
Maybe I'm being a bit silly but if Garcia is pissed off with FIFA's interpretation of his report and they've no intention of publishing it in full then why doesn't he just sell it to the highest bidding media outlet? Surely he's savvy enough to have kept a copy himself and he could make more than enough money to never have to do another day's work while making Blatter and his bent cronies look even bigger c**ts than they already are.
I would imagine he was made to sign some form of confidentiality contract before the process. There's no way Fifa would leave themselves open.

True but what could they realistically do if he said "fuck you FIFA" and broke that confidentiality agreement? Blatter is a snake but he's no Al Capone and I'd suspect the information in the report would leave him on very rocky ground anyway.
Not sure, but you always hear about attourney/client confidentiality, as a lawyer if he breaches that he could lose his license to practice law or be open to a counter suit.
 
Chipmeister said:
Totally agree mate, It's disgusting that countries bidding to stage it spend so much money with NO hope of getting chosen..

Bidding process says it all really, it's not a bid it should be an application.

Something must change, perhaps rotate around the continents so only those in that continent can apply to host the tournament.

Well this the cas normally in 2022 it should be Asia turn then 2026 Africa

People acting like the biding process was always perfect No i remember the same Jack warner and Blatter who made Morocco they were going to get it then it turned to be South Africa, the same goes with many international events ...

for 2022 it was between Qatar, Japan , USA and Australia; JP and US already hosted it, Australia got the Olympic games so only Qatar was left and i knew they were going to get it if you think Qatar is not a wise choice then no other country in Asia bided to get.

what it a dodgy for me is the fact they are not already sure about the date summer or winter ... those things should be approved before awarding the hosting of WC
 
momo88 said:
Chipmeister said:
Totally agree mate, It's disgusting that countries bidding to stage it spend so much money with NO hope of getting chosen..

Bidding process says it all really, it's not a bid it should be an application.

Something must change, perhaps rotate around the continents so only those in that continent can apply to host the tournament.

Well this the cas normally in 2022 it should be Asia turn then 2026 Africa

People acting like the biding process was always perfect No i remember the same Jack warner and Blatter who made Morocco they were going to get it then it turned to be South Africa, the same goes with many international events ...

for 2022 it was between Qatar, Japan , USA and Australia; JP and US already hosted it, Australia got the Olympic games so only Qatar was left and i knew they were going to get it if you think Qatar is not a wise choice then no other country in Asia bided to get.

what it a dodgy for me is the fact they are not already sure about the date summer or winter ... those things should be approved before awarding the hosting of WC
The bidding nations were asked to bid for a summer tournament. And "summer" in FIFA terms is European summer.
 
David Bernstein has had his say and called for Uefa action and he's also resigned from Fifa's anti-discrimination taskforce

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The Football Association has been urged to lobby Uefa for a European boycott of the next World Cup - unless Fifa implements meaningful reform.
Former FA chairman David Bernstein told BBC Sport it was time for "drastic" action against the governing body.
He believes the tournament could not be taken seriously without Europe's major nations and that a boycott would be supported by the English public.
Meanwhile, Bernstein has resigned from Fifa's anti-discrimination taskforce.
He described it as "ineffectual" and wishes to end his ties with the organisation.
In an exclusive interview, the 71-year-old also said:
Fifa is a "totalitarian" set-up that reminds him of "the old Soviet empire" and is "beyond ridicule".
The credibility of football is "suffering enormously" under the current Fifa regime.
Choosing Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup was "one of the most ludicrous decisions in the history of sport".
Fifa president Sepp Blatter will remain in power "unless someone does something about it".
Bernstein was speaking after Thursday's report into the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups was questioned by the man who conducted the investigation, Michael Garcia, just hours following its release.
It is the latest controversy to hit football's world governing body, which has been riddled with allegations of corruption in recent times.
Bernstein led the FA for three years from January 2011 - a month after Russia and Qatar were named hosts for 2018 and 2022 respectively, with England missing out on 2018 - and he wants Fifa to change its ways or face a challenge that it finds impossible to ignore.
"England on its own cannot influence this - one country can't do it," he said. "If we tried to do something like that we'd be laughed at.
"I think England within Uefa undoubtedly have the power to influence Fifa, but to do so they would have to consider withdrawing from the World Cup, the next World Cup, unless proper reform - including Mr Blatter not standing [for a fifth term] - is carried out at Fifa.
"If I was at the FA now, I would do everything I could to encourage other nations within Uefa - and there are some who would definitely be on side, others may be not - to take this line.
"At some stage you have to walk the talk, stop talking and do something."
When asked again if we was calling for the FA to unite with Uefa to boycott Fifa and the World Cup, Bernstein replied: "Unless it could achieve the reforms that would bring Fifa back into the respectable world community, yes I would.
"It sounds drastic but frankly this has gone on for years now, it's not improving, it's going from bad to worse to worse.
"There are 54 countries within Uefa. There's Germany, Spain, Italy, France and Holland - all powerful. You can't hold a serious World Cup without them. They have the power to influence if they have the will.
Similar views have been expressed by German Football League president Reinhard Rauball, who suggested Uefa could leave Fifa if Garcia's findings are not published in full.
England's World Cup bid was criticised in the Fifa report with the FA accused of flouting bidding rules, while Qatar was cleared of corruption allegations.
Bernstein accused world football's governing body of trying to deflect attention from its own failings.
"I don't think much to these accusations. I don't think we should get away from the real issue, the real issue is Fifa governance and trying to achieve real change. But it won't happen easily."
Bernstein acknowledges Fifa's power but is adamant the governing body can be pressured into change if the World Cup is targeted.
"Fifa is sort of a totalitarian set-up," he said. "Bits of it remind me of the old Soviet empire. People don't speak out and if they do they get quashed.
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"The [Garcia] investigation is possibly flawed but when the investigator complains that his own report is being misinterpreted, it's beyond ridicule."
Bernstein backs the authorities ("Swiss government, Swiss tax authorities, FBI, Brussels, the European community") and sponsors to hold Fifa to account, but thinks Uefa poses the greatest threat.
Much of his anger stems from the decision to award the 2022 World Cup to Qatar, where blistering summer temperatures means the event could be switched to winter.
"The choosing of Qatar was clearly one of the most ludicrous decisions in the history of sport," the former Manchester City chairman said.
"You might as well have chosen Iceland in the winter. It was like an Alice in Wonderland sort of decision.
"The attempt to change the timing is also absolutely wrong. It's like a false prospectus; you put a bid in on one basis and then when you've won you change to another.
"There's also a background of political, social and employment issues that keep emerging and I think there's a danger that Fifa and football might be embarrassed by what emerges in the coming years," he added.
"It's certainly not sour grapes. England didn't lose to Qatar, we lost to Russia. Qatar is clearly a totally unsuitable place to hold a World Cup."
Bernstein described Blatter as "formidable, very shrewd, very smart" and conceded it would "not be easy" to bring his reign to an end.
He went on to reveal he had quit Fifa's anti-discrimination taskforce, which was introduced in 2013 with Jeffrey Webb at the helm.
"I've resigned for two reasons: firstly, the body has been pretty ineffectual. I've been on it for more than a year and we only had one meeting; secondly because frankly I don't wish to be personally associated with Fifa any further.
"Fifa sets up these things - and we've seen it with their regulation - that look good in theory but don't seem to do very much in practice."
 
East Level 2 said:
momo88 said:
Chipmeister said:
Totally agree mate, It's disgusting that countries bidding to stage it spend so much money with NO hope of getting chosen..

Bidding process says it all really, it's not a bid it should be an application.

Something must change, perhaps rotate around the continents so only those in that continent can apply to host the tournament.

Well this the cas normally in 2022 it should be Asia turn then 2026 Africa

People acting like the biding process was always perfect No i remember the same Jack warner and Blatter who made Morocco they were going to get it then it turned to be South Africa, the same goes with many international events ...

for 2022 it was between Qatar, Japan , USA and Australia; JP and US already hosted it, Australia got the Olympic games so only Qatar was left and i knew they were going to get it if you think Qatar is not a wise choice then no other country in Asia bided to get.

what it a dodgy for me is the fact they are not already sure about the date summer or winter ... those things should be approved before awarding the hosting of WC
The bidding nations were asked to bid for a summer tournament. And "summer" in FIFA terms is European summer.

There is also the small matter of Qatar being linked strongly with funding international terrorism. I wonder who will be organising security for the tournament!
 
super_city_si said:
M18CTID said:
super_city_si said:
I would imagine he was made to sign some form of confidentiality contract before the process. There's no way Fifa would leave themselves open.

True but what could they realistically do if he said "fuck you FIFA" and broke that confidentiality agreement? Blatter is a snake but he's no Al Capone and I'd suspect the information in the report would leave him on very rocky ground anyway.
Not sure, but you always hear about attourney/client confidentiality, as a lawyer if he breaches that he could lose his license to practice law or be open to a counter suit.

There should be a huge demand from the FA for it to be published. Get the Aussies on board as well, they're the only two FA's that have done anything wrong apparently and if they're willing for a completely unredacted version to be published then why isn't it? Everyone else is apparently clean.
 

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