Five years that's all we got.

Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
You are delusional, in cloud cuckoo land and off with the fairies if you think FFP wasn't a huge factor in the summer of 2012. We had losses of c£197 million in 2010/2011, £99million in 11/12 and £52 million in 12/13. Our wage bill was a nightmare.

Go look in the archives on here for some of PBs brilliant stuff at the time. Alternatively take a look at the archives on Swiss Ramble.

In 13/14 we had some extra wriggle room not least because the new TV deal came into place which off the top of my head was worth about an extra £45 million. Additionally, we started applying player contracts on a different basis - with existing players having extensions and more emphasis on bonuses loaded towards the end - all to reduce the wage bill.

Edit: From Swiss Ramble Sept 5th 2012
The only club that looks vulnerable is Manchester City, whose loss for FFP is still a frightening £142 million. Indeed, the club’s sporting director Brian Marwood admitted, “We’ve got a huge amount of work ahead of us to make sure we are sustainable.” They will benefit from rapid revenue growth, both in terms of distributions from the Champions League and (especially) new commercial deals, but the chances are that their losses will still be well beyond UEFA’s limits in the short-term.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/uefas-ffp-regulations-play-to-win.html
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And you're in loony toons land if you think the quality of our signings in 2012, the treatment of the manager and the disgraceful episode on FA Cup final day was all about FFP.
 
Rolee said:
So Khaldoon dropped a major bollock then?
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I would never speak ill of our sensational Chairman.

I don't know whether he was complicit in the transfer decisions and the treatment of Mancini.

I understand Khaldoon and Mancini were and remain pretty close. Khaldoon was clearly very fond of him.

I think it's more likely that he'd just headhunted a new Chief Executive, got in the one with the best reputation in European football, and he trusted him to make executive decisions and took a passive stance so as not to undermine him.

Mancini himself said in the past he had a direct line to Khaldoon, and it seems Sorriano and latterly Txiki, put another tier or two of management in between Mancini and the boss man. As I said earlier, it essentially was a demotion for Mancini, and it certainly undermined him.
 
As always the main protagonists have a lot to answer for.

The Club senior management for backing the players over the manager.

The manager for behaving like he was bigger than the rest of the senior management team.

The players for usurping the manager.

A relatively successful period and some astonishing achievements - but not quite the consistent, glitteringly brilliant success that otherwise might have been.

At least we are now well underway in terms of addressing that.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I would never speak ill of our sensational Chairman.

I don't know whether he was complicit in the transfer decisions and the treatment of Mancini.

I understand Khaldoon and Mancini were and remain pretty close. Khaldoon was clearly very fond of him.

I think it's more likely that he'd just headhunted a new Chief Executive, got in the one with the best reputation in European football, and he trusted him to make executive decisions and took a passive stance so as not to undermine him.

Mancini himself said in the past he had a direct line to Khaldoon, and it seems Sorriano and latterly Txiki, put another tier or two of management in between Mancini and the boss man. As I said earlier, it essentially was a demotion for Mancini, and it certainly undermined him.
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The buck stops with Khaldoon mate.
 
Rolee said:
The buck stops with Khaldoon mate.
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Khaldoon isn't hands on day to day, mate. He's the Chairman, not the Chief Exec.

Khaldoon will of course have an input on strategy and will give his blessing / raise concerns, but I very much doubt he had anything to do with that debacle on FA Cup final day. That was as low as this club has stooped since Maddox.
 
1961_vintage said:
As always the main protagonists have a lot to answer for.

The Club senior management for backing the players over the manager.

The manager for behaving like he was bigger than the rest of the senior management team.

The players for usurping the manager.

A relatively successful period and some astonishing achievements - but not quite the consistent, glitteringly brilliant success that otherwise might have been.

At least we are now well underway in terms of addressing that.
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This is the one!

It's not about individually blaming Mancini, or blaming Soriano, or Begiristain, or al Mubarak, or Pellegrini, or the players against each other. As a collective, from top to bottom, this club in many ways messed up what should have been a hugely successful period by each of those playing a part in holding us back either through random poor choices, consistent poor choices or all those facets not working as one whole unit (I won't say "holistic"!). Even though they have all heavily contributed to successes.

Instead we've seen a fairly successful period which has been great but should have been much better with Arsenal being Arsenal, Chelsea being yoyo and Ferguson coming to his end. We've not challenged for the title for three years running after spending £230m plus in those three years. That's not good!

I know FFPR was an issue and we were making huge losses at one point but in the past three years since that's not been an issue we've spent more than all but the Rags (who have done even worse might I add) and not once got near a title challenge, never mind near the title. I also think the club, from the top down, took their eye off the ball with the Manchester City Football Club FIRST TEAM and have spent too much time concentrating on New York, Melbourne, Yokohama, the CFA, the CFG, the Women's team, the youth teams (obviously not all bad things but have all contributed to our first team not being as good as it should have been), corporates, daytrippers, tourists, middle class families, money money money, "matchday experience" in non-traditional football culture ways, new stands, glass fucking tunnels... to the detriment of the FIRST TEAM and the traditional hardcore support of this club.

The first team has allowed to become unbalanced and disjointed in its quality and ages. We have no really good 'keepers, all four full backs are over 32, our centre halves have gone in-and-out like a brasshouse back door and have either been or become injury prone/erratic/inconsistent/overpriced/just not good enough, and we do not have anywhere near enough players in their prime years - the squad in 2012 had 14 of the 25 man squad who were in their prime years of 25-29, we now have 6! They were allowed to become unfit under the last manager and it seemed like they stopped playing for him at times.

This is poor! This is why we've not challenged for the title for three years running. It's not any individual's fault, it's Manchester City's fault from top to bottom.

These have, obviously, not been bad years being a City fan. They've been very good! But it's very frustrating as they could have been so much better and has been a missed opportunity! Leicester winning the league and Spurs being title challengers two years running show that.

I also don't like how we became Barcelona lite. I think we should have gone on and been Manchester City Football Club and done it all our own way.
 
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Shaelumstash said:
Khaldoon isn't hands on day to day, mate. He's the Chairman, not the Chief Exec.

Khaldoon will of course have an input on strategy and will give his blessing / raise concerns, but I very much doubt he had anything to do with that debacle on FA Cup final day. That was as low as this club has stooped since Maddox.
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Yep he's the chairman, he's Mansour's eyes and ears. I'm not saying he's involved in the day to day stuff but ultimately he's responsible for who is.
 
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