Five years that's all we got.

Shaelumstash said:
Something sustainable like buying Jack Rodwell, Scott Sinclair, Javi Garcia, Richard Wright and Maicon? I understand where you're coming from, mate, but I think you're slightly missing my point.

In my opinion, we didn't buy a load of second tier players in summer 2012 because we couldn't afford top tier players. Evidence of that was the spending in summer '13. My point is, we could have backed the manager in summer 2012 and kicked on and dominated English football if we'd wanted. But the executives at the club didn't fancy the manager, and he didn't much fancy them.

It was impossible to sack him that summer because there would have been a fan revolt. So instead the clubs executives chose to pull back on spending, save spending for the season after for a new manager to benefit from. They even chose to hang the manager out to dry on the morning of a cup final. The whole season was an episode of politiking between the manager and the executives. There's no doubt in my mind that the whole affair stunted our progress as a club.
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So Khaldoon dropped a major bollock then?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It's very sad that some of our supporters seem incapable of enjoying the gift that has been bestowed upon us.
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Its not a case of 'not enjoying' ...its just frustration at how much better it could have been if a few 'wise heads' had been making key decisions. The Spanish duo may have many skills and hopefully their long term plan may yield dividends for a decade but some of their key short term decision making has been flawed.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Only 1 title? IIRC we have won 2 titles, 1 FA cup and 2 LC. Lost 1 FA cup final and chances of another final this year. A bit better than most top clubs I think?
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I've just walked past the East Stand on my way from the MInihad to my car, and the side of the stadium is covered with achievements at all levels. We might only have won TWO league titles in the years from 12-Present but LCs, CL semi, success at every other level, including MCWFC - tremendous progress.
 
It is like 1972 all over again, the rise and fall of the new era is reaching its death throes whilst Ziggy is exposed as a fraud manager.
 
nellyonthewing said:
Its not a case of 'not enjoying' ...its just frustration at how much better it could have been if a few 'wise heads' had been making key decisions. The Spanish duo may have many skills and hopefully their long term plan may yield dividends for a decade but some of their key short term decision making has been flawed.
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It doesn't sound like you're enjoying it very much to me.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I think you'd be surprised, mate - the same players who didn't want to play for Mancini didn't want to play for Pellegrini. In fact there was one or two more, and I know that for a fact. The board chose to back the players ahead of the manager. But when Pep came in, they chose to back the manager over the players, and the examples of that are as obvious as the nose on Txiki's face.

If they'd chosen to back Mancini in 2012 over the players, there may have been one or two high profile casualties, but long term it would have been a good thing for the club. Kompany doesn't want to play for Mancini? Joe Hart? Whoever, ok, son, thanks for everything, off you pop. Watch how quickly the rest of the players suddenly start pulling their weight. It's exactly what happened at the start of this season. Guardiola made it very clear from the off there would be no fucking about, he runs the dressing room, and if you don't like it you can piss off or rot on the bench. The club has to back the manager or the whole thing falls apart.

The reason I know that Silva, Yaya and Aguero were Mancini buys is that for one, we didn't have a DoF at the time. Mancini picked the players and Garry Cook went out and got them. Mancini presented all of those players to the media and talked glowingly about what he liked about them, what they would bring to the team. With Silva he even mentioned the first time he saw him play while manager of Inter, and how he fell in love with him as a player straight away.

With Adam Johnson, Scott Sinclair and Javi Garcia - it's well documented that Adam Johnson was Marwood's recommendation after dealing with Johnson while still at Nike. Scott Sinclair and Javi Garcia I think I'm right in saying were bought on the last day of the transfer window in an act of desperation after Mancini had spent the whole summer sulking that he wanted to buy Hazard, RVP and De Rossi. It doesn't take Columbo to work it out.

@Rolee The FFP consideration in the masterplan doesn't really stack up when you think about it. The summer after winning the title, Mancini wanted 3 world class players to beef up the squad and take it to another level. What he got was:

Jack Rodwell £12m
Scott Sinclair £6.2m
Richard Wright Free
Maicon £3.5
Javi Garcia £15.8
Matija Nastasic £8

One hasn't won a game for about 3 years, one is playing in fucking Scotland, one is even more retired now than he was then, one is back in Italy, one is playing in fucking Russia, and one didn't kick on as hoped after showing huge potential.

Far from 3 world class players, what he got was an absolute bag of shite and a promising youngster.

Then compare that to the season after in Pellegrini's first season in charge

Fernandinho £30m
Jovetic £25m
Negredo £25m
Navas £15m
DeMichelis £5m

So FFP no longer seemed to be a problem 12 months later.

Mancini wanted a world class centre mid, a world class winger and a world class centre forward. We "couldn't afford" it in 2012 because of FFP.

But 12 months later, after Mancini's out the door...

£30m could in fact be found to buy a world class cm.

Need a 20 goal striker? How's Negredo for £25m? Same money RVP went for the season before, but was too rich for our blood.

World class winger? Well, they're a bit thin on the ground, how about Navas and Jovetic instead, combined total £40m? Considering Hazard went for £25, it kind of makes that £5m bung to his old man look like incredible value when you think we've been stuck with Navas for 5 years instead.

So yeh, "where does FFP fit in to this masterplan?" erm, well it doesn't, really. The club could have spend £30m on a centre mid, £25m on an ageing striker and £40m on a world class winger in the summer of 2012 if they wanted to. We would have dominated English football, Fergurson would have retired with a whimper, dethroned by the "noisy neighbours" his thunder stolen.

Instead we chose to hang the manager out to dry in a stilly power struggle, and then handed all the magic beans to the destitute horse the season after to waltz to the league with the team his predecessor should have had the year before.

The summer of 2012 was a complete fuck up from the club. It was our chance to become the dominant force in English football, and we fucked it up because of a stupid power struggle between the manager and the board. If they'd backed the manager that summer, the last 5 years would have been a whole lot more successful.
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You are delusional, in cloud cuckoo land and off with the fairies if you think FFP wasn't a huge factor in the summer of 2012. We had losses of c£197 million in 2010/2011, £99million in 11/12 and £52 million in 12/13. Our wage bill was a nightmare.

Go look in the archives on here for some of PBs brilliant stuff at the time. Alternatively take a look at the archives on Swiss Ramble.

In 13/14 we had some extra wriggle room not least because the new TV deal came into place which off the top of my head was worth about an extra £45 million. Additionally, we started applying player contracts on a different basis - with existing players having extensions and more emphasis on bonuses loaded towards the end - all to reduce the wage bill.

Edit: From Swiss Ramble Sept 5th 2012
The only club that looks vulnerable is Manchester City, whose loss for FFP is still a frightening £142 million. Indeed, the club’s sporting director Brian Marwood admitted, “We’ve got a huge amount of work ahead of us to make sure we are sustainable.” They will benefit from rapid revenue growth, both in terms of distributions from the Champions League and (especially) new commercial deals, but the chances are that their losses will still be well beyond UEFA’s limits in the short-term.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/uefas-ffp-regulations-play-to-win.html
 
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