Football Governance Bill (Independent Regulator)

terraloon said:
Based on what is out there I don’t think the owners of Bury would have failed any enhanced fit and proper test but almost certainty would have failed to be granted a licence to play on. What would have happened to them. ?
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That's exactly what happened to Bury, they had their licence removed, it was the rules working to protect other clubs in the league, it was just handled very badly. I think you're always going to get dodgy owners who think they can use a vulnerable club in some get rich quick scheme that goes wrong. What I hope, is that an independant regulator can challenge football authories when they don't apply the rules fairly.
 
Fuck me on ITV now they are saying we are state owned, saying we don’t want a state owning a newspaper group but the same people own Manchester City, watch the cunts jump on that now.
 
terraloon said:
Can’t believe it but I actually agree with Sullivan.

None of the issues that seem to currently wind up supporters of City, Forest , Everton and yes indeed Chelsea will be any different under a regulator.

FFP or PSR will still be there, VAR won’t change, PGMOL will still be in charge indeed the regulator will have really narrow areas of responsibility

The PL will have to shell out more money to the EFL and no matter how you try and control it all that will happen is that these clubs almost without exception will spend more on wages. EFL clubs are basket cases financially they are chasing the dream getting more from the PL really won’t change things. The regulator will have responsibility down to NFL ( National) that’s what 120 ish clubs what about the hundreds below that level? They are being in effect told they are meaningless these clubs get nothing from the Pl/EFL and anyone who supports a non league club shares the same passion, the highs, the lows , ambitions and fears .

When they talk about heritage these mainly smaller clubs are just important to their communities and no one seems to blink an eye when they are picked off many by individuals who will pass any fit and proper test that will be applied yet the aim of these owners isn’t promotion it’s land ownership. Look no further that Torquay.

Ironically the really big PL clubs will still generate the biggest commercial deals , the biggest sponsorship and more often than not the highest gate receipts. Clubs lower down the PL will loose their competitiveness . The divide in the PL will widen.

Oh I know what let’s apply stricter guidelines when it comes to owners. Ok on the face of it seems a plan but what happens when a club is faced with the dilemma where that stricter test sifts out the only person that has the funds and desire to take in an ailing club. How will that have changed things at Bury, Macclesfield and indeed Reading ?

When it comes to a super league despite what some think it is inevitable be it under the control of UEFA or a stand alone.

People have good reason to question the competence of Masters but at least he has some sort of check mechanism in place a regulator simply will play to the crowds .

Keep saying it but people should be careful what they wish for.
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You lost me at "Masters ... has some sort of check mechanism in place".

The good thing out of all this is that there will be some accountability in place, in public I imagine. That can only be a good thing. The PL is too opaque.

Get him to explain why investment in the game is bad. Get him to explain why the current rules ring fence five or six big clubs. Get him to explain how his successor will be picked. How he was chosen. Get him to explain why refereeing is so opaque. The regulator won't be making many decisions, I imagine, but if it just imposes a degree of accountability and transparency then that is better then we have now. Remove the secrecy.

Getting a sports-experienced KC to head it is a good start. Not holding my breath, but hopeful. If the legacy clubs (and I use that word in a derogatory sense, like "legacy fan") don't like it, it's fine with me.
 
Premier League in "we won't be able to give Red Tops clubs an advantage over everyone else anymore" shocker.

I always find it interesting to see who bites back at these announcements, makes it easier to see who we're fighting against.
 
halfcenturyup said:
You lost me at "Masters ... has some sort of check mechanism in place".

The good thing out of all this is that there will be some accountability in place, in public I imagine. That can only be a good thing. The PL is too opaque.

Get him to explain why investment in the game is bad. Get him to explain why the current rules ring fence five or six big clubs. Get him to explain how his successor will be picked. How he was chosen. Get him to explain why refereeing is so opaque. The regulator won't be making many decisions, I imagine, but if it just imposes a degree of accountability and transparency then that is better then we have now. Remove the secrecy.

Getting a sports-experienced KC to head it is a good start. Not holding my breath, but hopeful. If the legacy clubs (and I use that word in a derogatory sense, like "legacy fan") don't like it, it's fine with me.
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Masters is the PL CEO but he has fellow board members and the shareholders namely the clubs vote on changes and imposition of rules.As I say some sort of check mechanism
UEFa dictated the introduction of FFP the National Leagues had no choice but to introduce similar rules.
The regulator will do absolutely nothing re investment, re appointing a PL CEO,the PGMOL.
As for transparency in what area are you expecting for more to be put in the public domain ?
 
terraloon said:
Masters is the PL CEO but he has fellow board members and the shareholders namely the clubs vote on changes and imposition of rules.As I say some sort of check mechanism
UEFa dictated the introduction of FFP the National Leagues had no choice but to introduce similar rules.
The regulator will do absolutely nothing re investment, re appointing a PL CEO,the PGMOL.
As for transparency in what area are you expecting for more to be put in the public domain ?
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You can't seriously be thinking the 20 clubs have been making decisions that have benefitted the sport as a whole? Or that Masters or any of his fellow board members hold any sort of power over the clubs (and when I say clubs, I mean the usual suspects). They could, but they are weak. We have seen time and again the PL decides what is in the best interest of those few (pretty much, two) clubs. Imposing accountability isn't at all a bad move.

I thought I gave some examples of more public accountability?
 
Gray said:
As the Post Office enquiry has demonstrated, when Government gets involved in anything it just drags on for years with an unsatisfactory outcome.

This will be a complete white elephant.
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Independent regulation has failed in most other industries so I’m not optimistic long-term but the PL has disgraced itself so something had to be done. The PL has been an amazing global success but the senior leadership has allowed itself to become corrupted. It’s an own goal by the cartel clubs.
 
terraloon said:
Masters is the PL CEO but he has fellow board members and the shareholders namely the clubs vote on changes and imposition of rules.As I say some sort of check mechanism
UEFa dictated the introduction of FFP the National Leagues had no choice but to introduce similar rules.
The regulator will do absolutely nothing re investment, re appointing a PL CEO,the PGMOL.
As for transparency in what area are you expecting for more to be put in the public domain ?
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Masters has been the problem. He has been manipulated by certain clubs. Too many decisions have happened behind closed doors. The PL hierarchy has not been impartial.
 
halfcenturyup said:
You lost me at "Masters ... has some sort of check mechanism in place".

The good thing out of all this is that there will be some accountability in place, in public I imagine. That can only be a good thing. The PL is too opaque.

Get him to explain why investment in the game is bad. Get him to explain why the current rules ring fence five or six big clubs. Get him to explain how his successor will be picked. How he was chosen. Get him to explain why refereeing is so opaque. The regulator won't be making many decisions, I imagine, but if it just imposes a degree of accountability and transparency then that is better then we have now. Remove the secrecy.

Getting a sports-experienced KC to head it is a good start. Not holding my breath, but hopeful. If the legacy clubs (and I use that word in a derogatory sense, like "legacy fan") don't like it, it's fine with me.
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Spot on, great post.
 
Hopefully the govn will all the PL why one of the worlds greatest sports packages is not allowed to grow, is mainly set up to give an advantage for the major stakeholder clubs, is allowing all that debt for utd (for example) but not allowing others!

This sport package can really be beneficial to this country, bring in a lot of money, yet the red clubs are selling it to corporate America.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Independent regulation has failed in most other industries so I’m not optimistic long-term but the PL has disgraced itself so something had to be done. The PL has been an amazing global success but the senior leadership has allowed itself to become corrupted. It’s an own goal by the cartel clubs.
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I am coming to the conclusion, at least beginning to consider the possibility, that the American owned clubs are dead set on an ESL (they are all hanging around, I see) where they can influence the sport with their "US-based" ideas. They aren't stupid. They realised the last attempt failed because the fans weren't on board. What better way to get the fans of the big clubs on board than to ruin the reputation of the PL with ridiculous FFP penalties, continual stupid new rules and, of course, the crowning turd in the water pipe, the case against City that they know they have no hope of proving. All get supporters frothing at the mouth, exacerbated by a compliant and, quite frankly, brainless media chasing clicks not the truth.

If I was any one of those clubs, I would look on the last year as a job well done. But not completed yet. Watch the fallout when relegation isn't decided until the summer and City's case isn't decided until next season. And then imagine what is going to happen when the club is cleared. It's becoming so predictable as to be a coincidence no longer, in my humble and paranoid opinion :)
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Independent regulation has failed in most other industries so I’m not optimistic long-term but the PL has disgraced itself so something had to be done. The PL has been an amazing global success but the senior leadership has allowed itself to become corrupted. It’s an own goal by the cartel clubs.
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Independent regulation from the PL for ten or a dozen clubs and then the most biased regulation for the rest! Once yer start putting the 'acceptability' of a CEO to a couple of clubs yer know how the game works. And the shambles with EFC 'n Forest just underlines how the governance of the game matches the execrable arbitration of the game! The PL doesn't give a tuppeny shit just so long as the money rolls in.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Masters has been the problem. He has been manipulated by certain clubs. Too many decisions have happened behind closed doors. The PL hierarchy has not been impartial.
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It never has been,and there are many many examples of its partial decisions.

Perhaps the clearest indication of this was Scudamore's statement of

" The Premier League needs a successful Manchester U....."

Clear and Obvious !!
 
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