Football League Clubs Vote 'YES' To Safe Standing

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Anybody else find it ironic that the Conservatives & Police are effectively using the Hillsborough Families Support Group
to veto this every time it gets raised? It's almost like the HFSG are giving validity to the police's position that the fans
were partly to blame. As has been said above its perfectly acceptable for people to stand in any number of other
situations.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Anybody else find it ironic that the Conservatives & Police are effectively using the Hillsborough Families Support Group
to veto this every time it gets raised? It's almost like the HFSG are giving validity to the police's position that the fans
were partly to blame. As has been said above its perfectly acceptable for people to stand in any number of other
situations.

In fairness Labour did the same. Cost Kate Hoey her job as sports minister.

 

[bugsyblue]

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Seems like it isn't going to happen. Not meaning to be insensitive but why are the Hillsborough Family Support Group so against safe standing? Don't get me wrong if I had lost someone in the manner those poor people were killed I would certainly be cautious but it seems to me, from the bits i know about Hillsborough, that it was the mass overcrowding due to the number of fans entering the stadium without a ticket, which was allowed through the neglect of the police and stewards, that result din the 96 deaths. We have safe standing at concerts and other sports matches and touch wood no problems. Why can't that be implemented in football. Personally there's less chance of anything happening at premier league grounds than other football grounds in the lower leagues as we have digital ticketing systems and much higher security. It seems to me like we are stalled because of an incident many years ago. Again no disrespect to the families and loved ones who lost people.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/premier-league-standing-ban-stadiums-football-league-aston-villa-rail-seat

Seems like it isn't going to happen. Not meaning to be insensitive but why are the Hillsborough Family Support Group so against safe standing? Don't get me wrong if I had lost someone in the manner those poor people were killed I would certainly be cautious but it seems to me, from the bits i know about Hillsborough, that it was the mass overcrowding due to the number of fans entering the stadium without a ticket, which was allowed through the neglect of the police and stewards, that result din the 96 deaths. We have safe standing at concerts and other sports matches and touch wood no problems. Why can't that be implemented in football. Personally there's less chance of anything happening at premier league grounds than other football grounds in the lower leagues as we have digital ticketing systems and much higher security. It seems to me like we are stalled because of an incident many years ago. Again no disrespect to the families and loved ones who lost people.

Families suffered extreme trauma over Hillsborough, and even with all the blame apportioned it is still difficult for them to accept that standing had nothing to do with this tragedy, even given the different conditions that would apply in relation to safe standing as we understand it. Given this belief, it is near impossible for any government minister to face a deputation from the affected families and to tell them that their concerns are unfounded and that standing is to be reintroduced. So like you, I doubt if it will ever be reintroduced. Besides, the authorities want a different client base than existed back then because a family based one is easier and cheaper to police, and forcing people to sit when their better instincts are to stand and give it some to opposition supporters isn't one that is wanted. People don't behave this way at the theatre, so the authorities don't want it at football either.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/premier-league-standing-ban-stadiums-football-league-aston-villa-rail-seat

Seems like it isn't going to happen. Not meaning to be insensitive but why are the Hillsborough Family Support Group so against safe standing? Don't get me wrong if I had lost someone in the manner those poor people were killed I would certainly be cautious but it seems to me, from the bits i know about Hillsborough, that it was the mass overcrowding due to the number of fans entering the stadium without a ticket, which was allowed through the neglect of the police and stewards, that result din the 96 deaths. We have safe standing at concerts and other sports matches and touch wood no problems. Why can't that be implemented in football. Personally there's less chance of anything happening at premier league grounds than other football grounds in the lower leagues as we have digital ticketing systems and much higher security. It seems to me like we are stalled because of an incident many years ago. Again no disrespect to the families and loved ones who lost people.

Don't be too down hearted. ''A Premier League Spokesperson'' is simply some nameless person trying to keep the status quo.
Premier League rules state if 14 of the 20 member clubs vote in favour on an issue it is carried forward (as was the 72 member Football League clubs voting in favour the other week)
So if 14 PL clubs vote for it, then the PL have to change their rule. Then the spokesperson can announce that! Until then, the spokesperson will simply carry on stating the obvious.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/premier-league-standing-ban-stadiums-football-league-aston-villa-rail-seat

Seems like it isn't going to happen. Not meaning to be insensitive but why are the Hillsborough Family Support Group so against safe standing? Don't get me wrong if I had lost someone in the manner those poor people were killed I would certainly be cautious but it seems to me, from the bits i know about Hillsborough, that it was the mass overcrowding due to the number of fans entering the stadium without a ticket, which was allowed through the neglect of the police and stewards, that result din the 96 deaths. We have safe standing at concerts and other sports matches and touch wood no problems. Why can't that be implemented in football. Personally there's less chance of anything happening at premier league grounds than other football grounds in the lower leagues as we have digital ticketing systems and much higher security. It seems to me like we are stalled because of an incident many years ago. Again no disrespect to the families and loved ones who lost people.

Don't be too down hearted. ''A Premier League Spokesperson'' is simply some nameless person trying to keep the status quo.
Premier League rules state if 14 of the 20 member clubs vote in favour on an issue it is carried forward (as was the 72 member Football League clubs voting in favour the other week)
So if 14 PL clubs vote for it, then the PL have to change their rule. Then the spokesperson can announce that! Until then, the spokesperson will simply carry on stating the obvious.

It would still need Parliamentary approval though, and that just isn't going to happen.

 

[ChesterRdBlue]

It would be great, but every time the issue is debated out of football you get the same idiots who've never been within a mile of a football ground popping up spouting ill informed bollocks, I just can't see it happening. Didn't John Leech recently try something with Helen Grant and came away smashing his head off the wall? The same United favouring minister for sport who thought her team had won the FA Cup in 2013.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/13/premier-league-standing-ban-stadiums-football-league-aston-villa-rail-seat

Seems like it isn't going to happen. Not meaning to be insensitive but why are the Hillsborough Family Support Group so against safe standing? Don't get me wrong if I had lost someone in the manner those poor people were killed I would certainly be cautious but it seems to me, from the bits i know about Hillsborough, that it was the mass overcrowding due to the number of fans entering the stadium without a ticket, which was allowed through the neglect of the police and stewards, that result din the 96 deaths. We have safe standing at concerts and other sports matches and touch wood no problems. Why can't that be implemented in football. Personally there's less chance of anything happening at premier league grounds than other football grounds in the lower leagues as we have digital ticketing systems and much higher security. It seems to me like we are stalled because of an incident many years ago. Again no disrespect to the families and loved ones who lost people.

Don't be too down hearted. ''A Premier League Spokesperson'' is simply some nameless person trying to keep the status quo.
Premier League rules state if 14 of the 20 member clubs vote in favour on an issue it is carried forward (as was the 72 member Football League clubs voting in favour the other week)
So if 14 PL clubs vote for it, then the PL have to change their rule. Then the spokesperson can announce that! Until then, the spokesperson will simply carry on stating the obvious.

It would still need Parliamentary approval though, and that just isn't going to happen.

Correct. But 13 years ago Kate Hoey was hounded out of office because of her support for standing. Yet the Lib Dems had standing as one of their policies in the manifesto at the last election. That is how far the ''battle'' has been won.

The pressure needs to be kept up. The more the facts are presented and the myths and lies exposed the sooner it will happen. Government regulations / legislation cannot be determined on an emotional basis but on a factual basis.

 

[Manchester33]

Doubt anything will happen while Helen Grant is our sports minister... I don't know what or who she's done to get that position, but I'm pretty sure Stevie Wonder knows more about British sport than this clown!

There's a Youtube clip of her trying to answer 5 simple questions about sport... Questions like who's the current FA cup holders. I think she gets one right. Embarrassing!

And politics wonder why everyone hates them!

 

[Griff01]

How does I work as a season ticket holder? At the moment you are allocated a seat so for Europeans I understand this bit for domestic is it just a free for all like the old days or do you still get allocated that spot, but I thought the idea would be more space for more people or is it one person per spot?

At Union Berlin's ground, playing in the second German division, only one of their stands have seats, the rest is closer to old school terracing, but a lot more space and stewards. You buy a ticket in an area (in my case Sektor O) and you can choose where you want to stand in that area. They sell tickets like seats, so presumably if Sektor O could only hold 500 people, then only 500 tickets would be sold there. I'm guessing their season tickets work on the same principle.

Not sure if this is club specific or if other clubs in the same division have the same idea