Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

CityPar said:
We'll soon find out. According to Sky it looks like UEFA may well open the 2014 case now. I can't help think we're going to get shafted here if that's the case. Can't see them saying they will revisit it and act on it if they did not feel they had the remit to do so.
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I think there is no option for Uefa not to investigate this, in any walk of life or business if an allegation is made you would expect someone to look into it even if they come back and find nothing wrong, in some ways an investigation is just what we need, if we have done everything by the book and not done anything explicitly against the rules then we have nothing to hide. It would also go a long way to repairing the damage caused to our reputation if we were given a clean bill of health.
 
This whole thing smacks of the revenge of the g7. They relied on and trusted uefa to protect their cosy monopolistic position by introducing ffp at the behest. Uefa have manifestly failed to do that. Hence the g7 making more noises about a European super league, to put pressure on uefa to return the status quo as it was pre-2008.

Howver, not one club has broken rank to demand action/condemn city. Not even Maureen when pretty much invited to before the Derby.

The reason for this is the reason that this will all blow over soon enough. All those clubs are different sides of the same coin. Criticising us opens them up to scrutiny. They don’t want that.

I wonder why.
 
The Tevez story, and the selective reporting of it, are actually quite welcome. They've been trying to portray all this as being about the common good of football, but that one is so utterly focused on City that it can't be anything other than a targeted attack. And more to the point, it's pretty obvious.

Good. No more pretending.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is a point I've been stressing. UEFA can point to us and show how the FFP rules turned a club totally reliant on their owner's financial support into a profitable, cash-generating top club.
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From their point of view perhaps but surely our owner had a business plan for his massive investment anyway? I cannot see his continuing investment not having a payback eventually.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Certainly the easiest way to reduce debt is to include it within ffp rules as per the uefas original plans.
Debt has always been problematic to banks so loans used to be very difficult to get.
The old joke was that you could only get a bank loan if you could prove you simply did not need it.
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Sadly, to the detriment of business, that joke still applies.
 
Are the club able to do anything in retaliation against see spiegel? The Tevez story is a joke and is reported in a way to only make City look bad when in fact nothing wrong was done!! Is this enough for the club to threaten any type of legal action?

I mean what they have reported appears to be true but the way it has been reported to make the club look to have acted in a corrupt way, is that enough to go after them?
 
CityPar said:
We'll soon find out. According to Sky it looks like UEFA may well open the 2014 case now. I can't help think we're going to get shafted here if that's the case. Can't see them saying they will revisit it and act on it if they did not feel they had the remit to do so.
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Sky's headline is:-

"UEFA warns Manchester City 2014 Financial Fair Play case may be reopened"

Whereas what UEFA said was:-

"If new information comes to light that may be material to this assessment, UEFA will use that to challenge the figures and will seek explanation, clarification or rebuttal from the club concerned.

"Should new information suggest that previously concluded cases have been abused, those cases may be capable of being re-opened as determined on a case-by-case basis."


UEFA don't say they're investigating us anywhere. I suspect Sky are doing the usual jumping the gun in the hope that they're right.
 
rice10 said:
Are the club able to do anything in retaliation against see spiegel? The Tevez story is a joke and is reported in a way to only make City look bad when in fact nothing wrong was done!! Is this enough for the club to threaten any type of legal action?

I mean what they have reported appears to be true but the way it has been reported to make the club look to have acted in a corrupt way, is that enough to go after them?
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Well I doubt United will be making any comment about trading in a tax haven and also paying the same people the loan fee.
 
abu13 said:
I think there is no option for Uefa not to investigate this, in any walk of life or business if an allegation is made you would expect someone to look into it even if they come back and find nothing wrong, in some ways an investigation is just what we need, if we have done everything by the book and not done anything explicitly against the rules then we have nothing to hide. It would also go a long way to repairing the damage caused to our reputation if we were given a clean bill of health.
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I suspect what UEFA are saying is purely lip service. They will be well aware of the issues I reckon hence why it was perceived as moving the goalposts and taking a pinch. Someone said previously on here we would have failed ffp because of 1-3 million deficit. There is no way we would of failed ffp and been fined what we were for that.
As far as I’m concerned UEFA found the creative accountancy then which is why punishment was as severe. I am only summising though
 
Out of those 70m eomails only crap they leaking is out and PSG all those other clubs must of paid there ransom fee for not to Leak them.
 
Machiavelli said:
Prior to today’s 6 posts he/she had only posted 4 times since June 2013.
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What does that have to do with anything ha ha ha

What have I done to upset people on here? Is there a rule of a number of posts one needs before being allowed to post?
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I hope you're right. I just think the pressure will be piled on to UEFA to do something like never before here, and to be honest the sheer scale (£59m out of £67m) of the purported funnelling is such that I don't see how UEFA could possibly justify not looking at it, and particularly given the narrative adopted by our beloved friends at the media thus far (the ever excellent Messrs Holt and Samuels duly excepted). These are horrible, spiteful individuals we're dealing with, who've already shown their willingness to strategically manipulate their own rules previously to stiff us. I just think people are deceiving themselves if they believe this isn't going to be looked at with a view to screwing us irrevocably, and naive if they think it's nailed on to go in our favour if they do. Nothing is certain in law
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I think this is right. The cartel are cornered rats right now and fighting for their financial lives. Kill or be killed with UEFA in the middle and liable to die in the crossfire.

I'm heartened that this is the best they have come up with. If an enquiry is opened, City should establish exactly why and based on what new information. If it is the stolen emails UEFA would be on very dubious legal ground indeed.
 
Centurions said:
Sky's headline is:-

"UEFA warns Manchester City 2014 Financial Fair Play case may be reopened"

Whereas what UEFA said was:-

"If new information comes to light that may be material to this assessment, UEFA will use that to challenge the figures and will seek explanation, clarification or rebuttal from the club concerned.

"Should new information suggest that previously concluded cases have been abused, those cases may be capable of being re-opened as determined on a case-by-case basis."


UEFA don't say they're investigating us anywhere. I suspect Sky are doing the usual jumping the gun in the hope that they're right.
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Exactly - a complete and utter jealosy based smear campign that lazy journalists, thick pundits and willingly ignorant fans want to believe without question.
Unfortunately, throw enough mud and some will stick - and christ knows they've thrown enough of it ever since we had the temerity to want to be successful. Afterall isn't that what it's all bout according to the 2 istree clubs? - as long as it's only them.
Take the Gary Neville comments after our impressive win last week - some on here viewed it at the time as being really positive and praising of Fernadinho, however some knew exactly what he was doing and look how the media have run with it. We're never going to get a fair crack until we've won the champs league with 11 academy players escaping from war torn countries.
No point fighting it - siege mentality and ignore them.
 
waspish said:
Out of those 70m eomails only crap they leaking is out and PSG all those other clubs must of paid there ransom fee for not to Leak them.
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We were found guilty of FFP failings and fined, if these further allegations had been brought to the fore then surely the punishment wouldn’t have been different. PSG abused FFP far more than we did, 200 million pa sponsorship from Qatar and I think they got the same punishment. This is a blatant, outlandish ploy to discredit us and protect the old guard. If this goes all the way in court it could render FFP as dead in the water. That twat Lipton has just been on the radio slagging us off again, he called us “cheats”, that fucker should watch his back, I’d love us to sue him for slander and or libel if has also written that, what a fucking wanker.
 
rice10 said:
What does that have to do with anything ha ha ha

What have I done to upset people on here? Is there a rule of a number of posts one needs before being allowed to post?
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I was suggesting you don’t post enough to be on the wind up. You rag ****. :)
Centurions said:
I read that as @Machiavelli defending you bud (although I may be wrong).
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Someone got it.
 
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