For those who booed when Elano was replaced

Hughes has pulled
no punches and
this is understood to
have alienated some players.
There are unconfirmed
suggestions from some sources
of factionalism – with older
players like Darius Vassell and
Dunne simply out of kilter with
the new City revol
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It is not coincidence that
Stephen Ireland has flourished
under the new regime
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Some of Hughes’ frustrations
are more questionable than
others. He believes, for
example, that he was given
poor advice at City about the
merits of the central defender
Tel Ben Haim, though precisely
who is to blame remains
unclear; the Israeli was his own
purchase
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As Hughes grapples with
difficult structural change,
there is a case for ignoring
marquee names, hiring
five players he knows with
proven Premier League
experience and securing
some of the many winnable
points up ahead
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idiot
 
bluemanc said:
bizzbo said:
the bellamy story was also retracted by every single newspaper. this one has been about for months and has been repeated in several this very week.

I know the difference between a small off hand transfer rumour in the sun/mirror/express and numerous full page articles repeating the same information in all the broadsheets.

(excuse me if I use the term 'quality' press, i believe it's de rigeur now that only the Telegraph is printed in a true broadsheet format)
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I know the difference between a small off hand transfer rumour in the sun/mirror/express and numerous full page articles repeating the same information in all the broadsheets.
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You have got to be a WUM,you REALLY believe you know which of the unsubstantiated rumours in the football pages are true in a newspaper.
TBH who gives a fuck if any of the posts are right or wrong about a bust up,IF it was anything like the one Supurman had with him & it turns out the same way it'll do me.
Elano was injured on Sunday that's why he came off,btw.
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Lets be honest pal, he's linked to a Sun article, then claimed it not to be a Sun article, despite it being marked in severl places, then said it was from the Times.

Just another thing to add to the Hughes Out myths.
 
can someone else please tell these idiots the score?

the url contains the words 'the sun', it's true. it also contains the words 'the game' which is the name of the times' football suplement. 'ahead of the game' is the tagline for this section of the newspaper.

but at the end of the article it says 'the independant'

I admit it seems a bit confusing, but

the sun does not use phrases like the ones i've highlighted, and doesnt print 1500 word articles.

cmon, even a sun reader knows that.

on top of which, I'm telling you, I vividly remember reading it in a cafe, and i always read as many of the telegraph, independant, guardian and times as are available. I remember this being in either the times or independant.
 
Thank fuck for that this thread should be coming to an end soon lads, for a moment i thought this thread was a sticky !! couple more dissagreements should see the end of this....................................................................
 
bizzbo said:
got it
<a class="postlink" href="http://w...dependent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 04882.html</a>
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Good little read that. Doesn't really have Hughes condemning anyone though. A lot of it is the opinion of the journalist and I agree with a lot of it.

Hughes, who finds himself facing a relegation scrap at The Hawthorns tomorrow with Robinho doubtful, is known to be nursing a severe sense of frustration about some of the players he inherited, some of whom he feels have got "too comfortable" at the club and are failing to set the right example. The Brazilian midfielder Elano is, in particular, considered lazy and a negative influence. Micah Richards, who has made little headway for the last season and a half, is considered a poor trainer, too interested in the time in the weights room which has contributed to his ballooning muscle bulk. Michael Johnson is at the club each day to do the rehabilitation work on his abdominal injury but is lacking the conviction to recuperate.
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Is that the direct quote of the slagging off the players got?
 
Bluemoon115 said:
No-one forced you to post.
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when you say im making things up, demanding links and proof, I can either let you get away with it or waste my time digging this crap out. next time i'll ignore you.


it is also very specific in saying 'hughes feels' 'hughes thinks', it sounds like more than guess work to me! my point is that the same stuff appeared in the guardian, times and telegraph around the same time.

you might like to reflect that much the rest of it, the '5 premiership proven players', for example, was absolutely bang on the money, way before the window opened.

take the mourinho rejects city story. that appeared in one paper. no-one else repeated it, because they didnt have a source for it. the editor always asks if the source is reliable. the bellamy story obviously DID have a source, so it was repeated, but as it was untrue, and bellamy complained, it was also retracted. none of this stuff, despite being printed in every broadsheet, was ever challenged or contradicted publicly. there was a source, one who could be said to know the managers mind. well enough, it turns out, to predict the transfer strategy better than any ITK on any forum. The times, for example, got each and everyone of our initial targets spot on, before the window opened. how did they do that? they had a proper source. This is the paper that this very week used. the phrase 'identified as a troublemaker by mark hughes' in relation to Elano.
 
Joycee Banercheck said:
bizzbo said:
got it
<a class="postlink" href="http://w...dependent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 04882.html</a>
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Good little read that. Doesn't really have Hughes condemning anyone though. A lot of it is the opinion of the journalist and I agree with a lot of it.

Hughes, who finds himself facing a relegation scrap at The Hawthorns tomorrow with Robinho doubtful, is known to be nursing a severe sense of frustration about some of the players he inherited, some of whom he feels have got "too comfortable" at the club and are failing to set the right example. The Brazilian midfielder Elano is, in particular, considered lazy and a negative influence. Micah Richards, who has made little headway for the last season and a half, is considered a poor trainer, too interested in the time in the weights room which has contributed to his ballooning muscle bulk. Michael Johnson is at the club each day to do the rehabilitation work on his abdominal injury but is lacking the conviction to recuperate.
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Is that the direct quote of the slagging off the players got?
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I would agree with Joycee. It may, or may not, all be accurate. It may, or may not, all come from a bona fide source. The article is good, it is interesting, much of it is similar to a lot of posts on BM. It isn't conclusive that Hughes, or even a staff member on his instructions, was briefing the press, though (not saying this didn't happen, just saying that it didn't definitely happen). To be fair, that he had an issue with Elano was easily discernable from team selections - no need for a source!

The 'five players' bit, I think, reads more as speculation/opinion on what Hughes should do, rather than what he would do.

BUt, even if it is from an inside source, the Bellamy libel retractions demonstrate that even stories from good sources widely reported in good papers are not always true.
 
Bluemoon115 said:
LOL

I'm bored of you now, but like I said, if this is what counts as criticising players, then your in for a shock if we get Jose or someone similar.
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there are countless other examples, after games, of mark hughes criticising the team

do your own research, look at the timing, draw your own conclusions.

mourinho does it with timing, and wins. He invites controversy onto himself when the pressure would otherwise be on his team. Thats good management. Ferguson, Wegner, Benitez, all do roughly the same thing.

Sometimes Hughes seems to do it to deflect criticism from himself when things are going wrong. that's just weak. like phil brown dressing down his players on the pitch.

ok well, interesting to revisit all of this stuff again, I'm off to do something less stressful.
 
Bluemoon115 said:
Even if it wasn't retracted and merely dropped, it was printed in THE SUN!
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He's already posted links to articles in Guardian/Independent on the previous page, did you miss them on purpose?
 
bizzbo said:
there are countless other examples, after games, of mark hughes criticising the team

do your own research, look at the timing, draw your own conclusions.

mourinho does it with timing, and wins. He invites controversy onto himself when the pressure would otherwise be on his team. Thats good management. Ferguson, Wegner, Benitez, all do roughly the same thing.

Sometimes Hughes seems to do it to deflect criticism from himself when things are going wrong. that's just weak. like phil brown dressing down his players on the pitch.

ok well, interesting to revisit all of this stuff again, I'm off to do something less stressful.
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Haha fair play mate. For what its worth, I think I understand your point and I think you've done well to get your links and stuff. MH could and should have said a few things better, but on the other hand some of the players that get scrutinised on here have to take some of the blame in some of the performances they've given. Definite teething problems and the whole club needs to be moving together in the right direction. That goes for the manager and the players.
 
bizzbo said:
Bluemoon115 said:
LOL

I'm bored of you now, but like I said, if this is what counts as criticising players, then your in for a shock if we get Jose or someone similar.
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there are countless other examples, after games, of mark hughes criticising the team

do your own research, look at the timing, draw your own conclusions.

mourinho does it with timing, and wins. He invites controversy onto himself when the pressure would otherwise be on his team. Thats good management. Ferguson, Wegner, Benitez, all do roughly the same thing.

Sometimes Hughes seems to do it to deflect criticism from himself when things are going wrong. that's just weak. like phil brown dressing down his players on the pitch.

ok well, interesting to revisit all of this stuff again, I'm off to do something less stressful.
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He has engaged in a bit of 'expectation management' (though not to the extent of Redknapp at Spurs), but by and large I think he's refrained from over criticising the team in public or from criticising individuals (in fact he has tended to protect them, in public, viz. Robinho). That's only an impression though - certainly not based on a forensic examination of his press conferences! It would simply have been implausible denial not to criticise at times, too...

Interesting comment on Mourinho. His media relations in Italy have been suboptimal, to say the least.
 
I'm pro Hughes but it's simply true that Ian Herbert, Danny Taylor and Ian Ladyman are all close to events at MCFC and tend to get very similar and generally accurate stories about events at the club. And they often read like criticisms of players Hughes is known not to get on with. If it's not Hughes himself briefing the journos it must be someone sharing his sympathies.

Hughes In though, and I mean that.
 
Bigga said:
bizzbo said:
got it
<a class="postlink" href="http://w...dependent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 04882.html</a>
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This vindicates everything said. Well done, cos I didn't have the patience!

Oh and you smashed him into silence, like the others!
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It's an opponion written by a journo, no more conclusive than anything written on here. You just choose to believe it.

And even if the claims are true, at what point does Hughes publicly criticise Elano, which was supposed to be your origional point? Seems to me you've moved the goalposts because you couldn't back up your origional statement.
 
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