For those who booed when Elano was replaced

[bizzbo]

Why? Because I tell the truth about your boyfriend?

LOL, what an odious little prick you are.

I've never even met Moomba but he/she is one of the best posters on here who's views I usually agree with. You on the other hand never post anything of value but it is funny winding you up and watching your tantrums.

You winding me up? Ha ha ha!!

personally i resent the fact that I took you seriously enough to post at all. family guy was on, and i wasted my time on you.

 

[Bigga]

What saga? Elano had a fit of pique because he wasn't being selected and did an interview with Sky telling of his frustration at not playing. Hughes had a word and then said that it was resolved.

Now the only time I have ever seen it brought up is on forums like this by people guessing rather than from anything factual.

I don't believe that Hughes has ever left him out because of his attitude, but because of him preferring the 2 defensive midfielders and the form of Ireland. Now this is obviously open to debate whether he is right or wrong, but at the end of the day its his job on the line.

Personally I don't believe there is any feud between them. As for yesterday, I too thought it was the wrong substitution at the time. Now having reflected on it, I can see why he done it, because both Zabaleta and kmpany where also struggling. The alternative was to bring Petrov on and move Robinho to the right, who I thought at he time was also beginning to struggle having put in a shift throughout the game.

it's not quite factual, but even before the season had begun numerous reputable papers had reported that Hughes and his coaching staff had identified Elano as a problem charector, and a trouble maker. This was repeated ad infinitum in the telegraph, independant, times, guardian, before and after elano's disgraceful TV interview. I cant see anything else being behind this, given the number and extremely specific nature of the stories, for me it was clear that at least one person on the coaching staff was spreading this stuff about off the record, and it flatly contradicts Hughes public attempts to portray himself and elano in a chummy way (calling him, 'Ela', the ridiculous 'bless him' comment this weekend.

And you might like to consider the number of times that elano has been overlooked, and the players who have started ahead of him, how often he gets substituted, and how rarely he comes on as a sub when we have been behind in games. i'm not trying to apportion blame, but there is clearly something in all of this.

PMSL!!

I've been away for hours, but had I have been here during this 'discussion', I'd have said the exact same thing!

The trouble is, with this forum, you have to be ON IT to follow the events posted on here, cos if you're not at the time, people will just ask for the evidence/links to back up a well known incident!

I couldn't be bothered, either. Those that were here when it all kicked off(people calling Elano a tw@ for going to the papers/ saying what he said on TV(and misquoting what he said!)) know what happened.

If you can be bothered to look through the archives, BP62, it should still be around.

Its amazing how people like you are always right, but can't be bothered to come up with any facts because it happened so long ago.

The reason why you can't find its because it is untrue. Now that's a fact!

Hey! You CLEARLY weren't around when the furore happened. I tell you it should still be on the forum archive and yet, YOU want ME to do your search for you!!

No thanks, newbie. The season newcomers, at least, know what's what, never mind the vets of the site!

 

[HolisticJim]

Ive not read the post on here but just wanted to give my support to Elano.
Fantastic last season and this season is consistantly subbed by MH.

I pray he stays in the summer as he is one of our most gifted players.

My mate is a rag and I was championing him during the close season and saying that he is one of the most gifted players I have seen inmy beloved sky blue shirt since Kinkladze.

Long live Elano - and long may he stay with us!!!

 

[bizzbo]

I agree pi/2, it was always gonna be reported this way, it was a perfectly reasonable tactical substitution for me....

but to me its a bit odd that hughes went out of his way to say he was protecting elano, using all these chummy phrases. it seems almost that he doesnt want to have to defend it as a purely tactical change... playing to the gallery, in a way.

if I am certain of one thing, it's that MH is very media aware. I'd like him better if I felt he was more of a straight shooter.

Eh?

Wrong number mate! Try Phi...

Straight shooter? Like who?

Fergie? No.
Wenger? No.
Benitez? Maybe?

Do I care? No.

ahhhahaha yeah, just testing. I mean! half of pi is obviously less than 1.6! I knew that! I was just, umm, thinking about continued fractions and stuff, and, err, was working in hex.

 

[Weston Blue]

It is clear that Elano and Hughes, individually and together, stir up the emotions amungst City fans.

My take - Elano is a gifted player, he can win a game, but he can also lose a game by his proligate use of the ball. He has never been a 90 minute player for City. Does anyone know how many times SGE substituted him last season? It seemed a lot to me.

Hughes has IMO been wary of him. However, I feel this has changed recently.

There are fans who hate Hughes for his Utd links, his Blackburn links and the relatively poor season we are perceived to have had. I think those people will use any excuse to boo him.

My only point is starting this thread is that IMO he had a genuine reason for doing it and i don't think that on this occasion he can be criticised.

 

[paul37]

Can't understand booing at any time win lose or draw,what help is it to boo.As for elano the guy was knackered and at the time we were being over run by WBA in midfield,it needed some energy in that position

 

[moomba]

Okay then give us some links with quotes?

One direct link with a quote criticising Elano publicly.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/hughes-furious-at-comfortable-stars-as-elano-faces-axe-1583547.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 83547.html</a>

"(His) performance levels have not been up to scratch so I've left him at home and brought some of the younger lads."

To be honest, that one doesn't bother me too much at all, but seeing as you are accusing people of lying I thought it best to put you straight.

The ones that bothered me most were the planted pieces in the Mail (I think) and Telegraph over December. They were discussed at length on here, how about you do some research for a change. You'll also probably find discussion on a number of occasions about a number articles over the course of the season that obviously came from within, and were hugely and publicly critical of a number of our players. Very little effort was made by the coaching staff in the early part of the year to rebut or question such criticism, that wasn't a surprise to me.

As I mentioned previously, I don't think there is still a significant problem between the two and they do appear to be working together, which is a plus.

You are the most negatve back stabbing fan I have ever seen on any City forum. The only thing that makes you happy is when we lose so you can post your anti City drivel.

You don't know me, or anything about me. Don't be a pillock.

 

[bluepeter62]

Okay then give us some links with quotes?

One direct link with a quote criticising Elano publicly.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/hughes-furious-at-comfortable-stars-as-elano-faces-axe-1583547.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 83547.html</a>

[quote]"(His) performance levels have not been up to scratch so I've left him at home and brought some of the younger lads."

To be honest, that one doesn't bother me too much at all, but seeing as you are accusing people of lying I thought it best to put you straight.

The ones that bothered me most were the planted pieces in the Mail (I think) and Telegraph over December. They were discussed at length on here, how about you do some research for a change. You'll also probably find discussion on a number of occasions about a number articles over the course of the season that obviously came from within, and were hugely and publicly critical of a number of our players. Very little effort was made by the coaching staff in the early part of the year to rebut or question such criticism, that wasn't a surprise to me.

As I mentioned previously, I don't think there is still a significant problem between the two and they do appear to be working together, which is a plus.

You are the most negatve back stabbing fan I have ever seen on any City forum. The only thing that makes you happy is when we lose so you can post your anti City drivel.

You don't know me, or anything about me. Don't be a pillock.[/quote]

It makes me laugh that you have to quote from an Irish newspaper to find a supposed quote from Hughes criticising Elano. Even if it was Elano he was talking about, he is correct in explaining his decision not to play him. I suppose to all you Hughes haters that is criticism.

I call you negative and back stabbing because you would rather see us lose than Hughes succeed.

You are right I don't know you, but I have read your posts. I wonder what you wll be saying next season when Hughes is still our manager?

 

[moomba]

It makes me laugh that you have to quote from an Irish newspaper to find a supposed quote from Hughes criticising Elano. Even if it was Elano he was talking about, he is correct in explaining his decision not to play him. I suppose to all you Hughes haters that is criticism.

I'm not going to spend too much time searching for quotes for you, but the quote was reported in a number of UK papers. Google is your friend, maybe you should try and use it. And maybe you could apologise to the people you accused of lying, now that it has been proven that they were not.

I call you negative and back stabbing because you would rather see us lose than Hughes succeed.

That is not the case Im afraid. Sorry to shatter your illusions.

You are right I don't know you, but I have read your posts. I wonder what you wll be saying next season when Hughes is still our manager?

If he is still our manager I'll be pretty much the same as I am now. If he deserves criticism I will criticise him, if he doesn't I won't.

Personally I hope your guess that he will still be manager next season is not correct, as I don't think it's best for us as a club. But if he is, he is. Not much I can do about it, so not much point getting too upset.

 

[Disturbance]

It makes me laugh that you have to quote from an Irish newspaper to find a supposed quote from Hughes criticising Elano. Even if it was Elano he was talking about, he is correct in explaining his decision not to play him. I suppose to all you Hughes haters that is criticism.

I call you negative and back stabbing because you would rather see us lose than Hughes succeed.

You are right I don't know you, but I have read your posts. I wonder what you wll be saying next season when Hughes is still our manager?

YCNMIU, even when it's there in front of you you try and deny it. You probably didn't even bother to read the full article, you just want spoon-feeding with 'facts' and links.

Timewasting troll.

 

[bluepeter62]

It makes me laugh that you have to quote from an Irish newspaper to find a supposed quote from Hughes criticising Elano. Even if it was Elano he was talking about, he is correct in explaining his decision not to play him. I suppose to all you Hughes haters that is criticism.

I'm not going to spend too much time searching for quotes for you, but the quote was reported in a number of UK papers. Google is your friend, maybe you should try and use it. And maybe you could apologise to the people you accused of lying, now that it has been proven that they were not.

I call you negative and back stabbing because you would rather see us lose than Hughes succeed.

That is not the case Im afraid. Sorry to shatter your illusions.

You are right I don't know you, but I have read your posts. I wonder what you wll be saying next season when Hughes is still our manager?

If he is still our manager I'll be pretty much the same as I am now. If he deserves criticism I will criticise him, if he doesn't I won't.

Personally I hope your guess that he will still be manager next season is not correct, as I don't think it's best for us as a club. But if he is, he is. Not much I can do about it, so not much point getting too upset.

That quote if it was from Hughes doesn't criticise Elano in any way. It merely explains why he didn't play him. So I am not wrong and won't be apologising to you my friend.

No surprise that you deny about wanting us to lose rather than Hughes succeed, because that's what most of you haters do.

Of course you criticise him! It happens every time you post.

I have never seen a post from you that has said he was right in anything he has done this season.

Well you better get used to seeing him next season has he will still be here and I know how much you are looking forward to that.

 

[bluepeter62]

It makes me laugh that you have to quote from an Irish newspaper to find a supposed quote from Hughes criticising Elano. Even if it was Elano he was talking about, he is correct in explaining his decision not to play him. I suppose to all you Hughes haters that is criticism.

I call you negative and back stabbing because you would rather see us lose than Hughes succeed.

You are right I don't know you, but I have read your posts. I wonder what you wll be saying next season when Hughes is still our manager?

YCNMIU, even when it's there in front of you you try and deny it. You probably didn't even bother to read the full article, you just want spoon-feeding with 'facts' and links.

Timewasting troll.

I did read the article, not that there was much to read. FFS a manager can't even explain why he isn't playing someone! Or is it just because it is Hughes?

By the way Elano wasn't playing well at that time, but I suppose that doesn't matter to fans like you.

 

[bizzbo]

let's see, either we're all making this stuff up, or bluepeter didnt read the papers.

as i can remember the exact seat in the exact cafe and the exact time of day when i first read one of these articles, and how far my jaw dropped, i have to feel that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I am not making it up. I cant vouch for anyone else however.

 

[bluepeter62]

let's see, either we're all making this stuff up, or bluepeter didnt read the papers.

as i can remember the exact seat in the exact cafe and the exact time of day when i first read one of these articles, and how far my jaw dropped, i have to feel that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I am not making it up. I cant vouch for anyone else however.

Ha ha!! Oh it was in the papers! Then it must be true!

I guess I am not has gullible as you.

 

[moomba]

That quote if it was from Hughes doesn't criticise Elano in any way. It merely explains why he didn't play him. So I am not wrong and won't be apologising to you my friend.

Are you sure you understand what the term criticism means?

No surprise that you deny about wanting us to lose rather than Hughes succeed, because that's what most of you haters do.

Maybe because pretty much every one of the people you term "haters" doesn't actually prefer to see us lose rather than Hughes succeed. Sorry to shatter your illusions again.

Of course you criticise him! It happens every time you post.

Wrong.

I have never seen a post from you that has said he was right in anything he has done this season.

He hasn't left me with a lot of opportunity, but I have indeed posted about things that Hughes has got right. In the last week too.

Well you better get used to seeing him next season has he will still be here and I know how much you are looking forward to that.

Personally I don't know who the manager will be next season. I could guess and say that I think Hughes will be replaced. You can guess, and say that he will.

 

[Bluemoon115]

let's see, either we're all making this stuff up, or bluepeter didnt read the papers.

as i can remember the exact seat in the exact cafe and the exact time of day when i first read one of these articles, and how far my jaw dropped, i have to feel that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I am not making it up. I cant vouch for anyone else however.

Your jaw dropped because a manager said a player was underperforming?

Really?

Was this the great criticism you were all on about?

Because if so, your in for a fucking shock if Mourinho comes in. Or any other manager who has ever won anything.

 

[bluepeter62]

That quote if it was from Hughes doesn't criticise Elano in any way. It merely explains why he didn't play him. So I am not wrong and won't be apologising to you my friend.

Are you sure you understand what the term criticism means?

No surprise that you deny about wanting us to lose rather than Hughes succeed, because that's what most of you haters do.

Maybe because pretty much every one of the people you term "haters" doesn't actually prefer to see us lose rather than Hughes succeed. Sorry to shatter your illusions again.

Of course you criticise him! It happens every time you post.

Wrong.

I have never seen a post from you that has said he was right in anything he has done this season.

He hasn't left me with a lot of opportunity, but I have indeed posted about things that Hughes has got right. In the last week too.

Well you better get used to seeing him next season has he will still be here and I know how much you are looking forward to that.

Personally I don't know who the manager will be next season. I could guess and say that I think Hughes will be replaced. You can guess, and say that he will.

You go back to your fantasy land Moomba and keep praying that Hughes will be sacked.

 

[moomba]

You go back to your fantasy land Moomba and keep praying that Hughes will be sacked.

Cheers, I will keep hoping Hughes is sacked.

For the good of the club.

 

[Bluemoon115]

You go back to your fantasy land Moomba and keep praying that Hughes will be sacked.

Cheers, I will keep hoping Hughes is sacked.

For the good of the club.

Aaah, that all depends.

What if the owners have Neil Warnock lined up as a replacement?

;-P

 

[moomba]

Aaah, that all depends.

What if the owners have Neil Warnock lined up as a replacement?

;-P

Once Hughes is sacked I'll start really hoping that Warnock isn't the replacement.

Again, for the good of the club. ;)