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Re: Mancini is a con
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Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?
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mcfcliam
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Re: Mancini is a con
Carling Cup
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:Which west brom game was that
Carling Cup
shadygiz
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Re: Mancini is a con
lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol
mcfcliam said:Right, I fully expect to be bombarded by the 'facepalm' and 'utter shit' brigade but this is my opinion and here goes...
Mancini is a con, his tactics and substitutions are absolutely baffling, his work in this January window was poor at best, he knows we need back up in some positions but didn't act.
He treats cups like they don't matter...we've won fuck all for 35 years yet he sets us up for an upset vs Notts and Leicester...luckily we didn't lose these games, but it could have easily happened.
The West Brom away game was a complete disgrace...enough said, we don't need to go into detail.
Our defending is set pieces is awful and our set piece taking is piss poor, yet he doesn't sort this out, with evidence backing this up by him saying 'we don't train hard enough' or something along those lines.
I honestly believe we won't win anything under this guy but he wears a club scarf and is a pretty slick fella so people fall for it.
Before anyone calls me a shit fan, I was at the game last night and I attend most games.
lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol
Silvatench
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Since we've bought Dzeko new system should be:-
Hart
Zabaleta Kompany Toure Kolorov
De Jong Barry Toure Y
Tevez Silva
Dzeko
Zabaleta and Kolorov bombing on.
The trouble is we haven't really played with CF this season so having Dzeko in the team means we have adapt to the new system.
Thoughts?
Hart
Zabaleta Kompany Toure Kolorov
De Jong Barry Toure Y
Tevez Silva
Dzeko
Zabaleta and Kolorov bombing on.
The trouble is we haven't really played with CF this season so having Dzeko in the team means we have adapt to the new system.
Thoughts?
Re: Mancini is a con
Just put this on another thread mate.
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People will moan if there is a blatant flaw in our plans or actions, there is now just that. People will always have a moan even if we clean up with everything there will always be someone that doesn't like something, always.
As for the flaw? yes we are 3rd, i should fkin thinkso and thats not a spoilt fan talking, that is realism.
When we see the like of Jo being played ahead of Ade, Jonno constantly(apart from lately) being used as a sub; chasing a game and bringing a defender or defensive midfielder on; constantly playing Milner out wide; leaving out Zabba for JB; players scrappin'/arguing(not just once or twice),no plan B; apart from Dzecko no activity ie winger(regardless of Jonno injury) or ball player/back up for Silva or as well as; taking an age to get into a game or starting off(for 5 mins on fire but flitting in and out of game); blaming refs(yes they are wank but great against like of Toon and Bpool hey?); scraping by; relying /hoping teams get beat in order to cement our position;
thanking God that other teams are shite atm/dropping points;
I aint gettin' my tin hat on as it's my opinion about OUR Club but my concerns were voiced last year but was told to stop moaning(cue the stop moaning comment).
Yes it's better than the dark days but as i said at the start of the post, "so it fkin should be".
PS, if Bobs here next year i'll buy GSTAR an all you can eat Buffet.
PPS, i want continuity as much as the next fan as i too am sick to fking death of changing, but this present regime worries me and has done for some time, "sort the fucker out Bobby lad". We have gotta perform the best we have all season from now on in, you confident?????????????
PPS, someone actualy said we would be better without Tevez and Mancio(i think) seems to think Dzecko and Balo would piss on Tev, now for those that slag off Tevez, wtf are you on?
mcfcliam said:Right, I fully expect to be bombarded by the 'facepalm' and 'utter shit' brigade but this is my opinion and here goes...
Mancini is a con, his tactics and substitutions are absolutely baffling, his work in this January window was poor at best, he knows we need back up in some positions but didn't act.
He treats cups like they don't matter...we've won fuck all for 35 years yet he sets us up for an upset vs Notts and Leicester...luckily we didn't lose these games, but it could have easily happened.
The West Brom away game was a complete disgrace...enough said, we don't need to go into detail.
Our defending is set pieces is awful and our set piece taking is piss poor, yet he doesn't sort this out, with evidence backing this up by him saying 'we don't train hard enough' or something along those lines.
I honestly believe we won't win anything under this guy but he wears a club scarf and is a pretty slick fella so people fall for it.
Before anyone calls me a shit fan, I was at the game last night and I attend most games.
Just put this on another thread mate.
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 11:14 am
Posts: 4875
Location: In an ever changing world, where nothing ever changes.
People will moan if there is a blatant flaw in our plans or actions, there is now just that. People will always have a moan even if we clean up with everything there will always be someone that doesn't like something, always.
As for the flaw? yes we are 3rd, i should fkin thinkso and thats not a spoilt fan talking, that is realism.
When we see the like of Jo being played ahead of Ade, Jonno constantly(apart from lately) being used as a sub; chasing a game and bringing a defender or defensive midfielder on; constantly playing Milner out wide; leaving out Zabba for JB; players scrappin'/arguing(not just once or twice),no plan B; apart from Dzecko no activity ie winger(regardless of Jonno injury) or ball player/back up for Silva or as well as; taking an age to get into a game or starting off(for 5 mins on fire but flitting in and out of game); blaming refs(yes they are wank but great against like of Toon and Bpool hey?); scraping by; relying /hoping teams get beat in order to cement our position;
thanking God that other teams are shite atm/dropping points;
I aint gettin' my tin hat on as it's my opinion about OUR Club but my concerns were voiced last year but was told to stop moaning(cue the stop moaning comment).
Yes it's better than the dark days but as i said at the start of the post, "so it fkin should be".
PS, if Bobs here next year i'll buy GSTAR an all you can eat Buffet.
PPS, i want continuity as much as the next fan as i too am sick to fking death of changing, but this present regime worries me and has done for some time, "sort the fucker out Bobby lad". We have gotta perform the best we have all season from now on in, you confident?????????????
PPS, someone actualy said we would be better without Tevez and Mancio(i think) seems to think Dzecko and Balo would piss on Tev, now for those that slag off Tevez, wtf are you on?
mcfcliam
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Re: Mancini is a con
Anything to back this up, Shady?
You're not his biggest fan if I remember correctly.
shadygiz said:mcfcliam said:Right, I fully expect to be bombarded by the 'facepalm' and 'utter shit' brigade but this is my opinion and here goes...
Mancini is a con, his tactics and substitutions are absolutely baffling, his work in this January window was poor at best, he knows we need back up in some positions but didn't act.
He treats cups like they don't matter...we've won fuck all for 35 years yet he sets us up for an upset vs Notts and Leicester...luckily we didn't lose these games, but it could have easily happened.
The West Brom away game was a complete disgrace...enough said, we don't need to go into detail.
Our defending is set pieces is aw
ful and our set piece taking is piss poor, yet he doesn't sort this out, with evidence backing this up by him saying 'we don't train hard enough' or something along those lines.
I honestly believe we won't win anything under this guy but he wears a club scarf and is a pretty slick fella so people fall for it.
Before anyone calls me a shit fan, I was at the game last night and I attend most games.
lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol/sigh/lol
Anything to back this up, Shady?
You're not his biggest fan if I remember correctly.
Bill
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Whilst I am not a prolific poster on here, I have been to every game home and away (except Poznan away this season and sunderland away last season) for the past two seasons.
It is so easy to have rose tinted glasses when drooling over the signings we have made and our current actual position in the table and being about 10 points better off now than at the same time last season.
But here is my issue. With both Hughes and Mancini, i get the sense that both have been in the sweet shop with a platinum card - in xtacy. I am not commenting on the actual prices that have been paid for each player, but I am tyring to work out exactly what kind of plan mancini has had in mind with his buys and the tactics.
As has been pointed out on this forum many times, we have a distinct lack of natural wide players and since the demise in the quality of SWP, all has been focused on AJ and with him, I don't think mancini has not been starting him because of 'needing to learn and get the right attitude', but mancini just does not like to play wide.
Silva is a revelation, twisting and turning and with incredible vision, but we spend so much time ballet dancing around the last 3rd just trying to find that one clever ball through the defence rather than just piling down the wings and getting in the crosses. Now that we have height with Dzeko, he needs constant service from the wings, as clearly shown at Notts.
I don't want to just droan out loads of whinges here (scuze spelling) but I think that despite 12 months in the job, I just don't think that mancini has come to terms with the english premiership - at the top level. I don't think that he has anticipated how much of a target we have come for the clubs with supposedly lesser quality players.
Unless I am mistaken, can anyone tell me when we have really turned any game around comprehensively having been under pressure? In most cases, with perhaps the Villa home game, I have come away with a sense of relief rather than contentment and a feeling of complete satisfaction.
Mancini's comments after the brummie game were incredibly concerning.All he could say was that it was his fault, as the manager, at the nature of the result and that he would have to make '5 or 6' changes again!! As on the pitch, all that says to me is 'i have run out of ideas - what I thought should be working is clearly not but I don't really know what to do. What on earth must the players thought of that comment...............
I am genuinely worried about getting top four and the drastic consequences of not getting top four. I am not going to be so stupid as to suggest what mancini should be doing with every player, the tactics and making sweeping statements - as a fan of 30+ years - I have absolutely no qualifications to suggest recriminations or what should be done, but I just make a point out some areas of real concern and would ask if anyone on here can fundementally disagree with the points below - and why
a) What the sodding hell has mancini EVER seen in JO over the likes of Bellamy, Adebayor, Weiss and even Caicedo. Jo has been out on loan all over the place and no one wanted him. His attitude on the pitch is a complete professional disgrace, his ability is shot, little in the way of natural instinct and certainly not a team player. Any of the four above, completely piss all over Jo.
b) Compare what has happened to AJ in comparison to Bale. Despite Bale being on the losing side for Spurs almost more than any other player and not even being heard of for a few seasons, they kept on playing and playing him, giving him the experience and match time - which in his case - has turned him very quickly into a total world class player worthy of ANY major squad in the world. Mancini's only reason for not starting AJ most of the time is that AJ was inexperienced, a bit cocky and not quite the finished article. Since when has not starting a player like AJ for every game to build that experience and quality, been the right thing to do.
c) I know tha Ade is an arrogant cock, but he has obvious ability - just look a the amount of goals he scored for us when he first arrived. Surely, surely, he should have been the 3rd choice, over JO anytime. He scored a fucking hatrick for us in Europe and then gets dumped over JO????? I know that Mourino is not always right, but the very fact that he signed Ade, even on loan, for Real surely confirms that mancini has missed a trick.
Anyway, thanks for reading...............
It is so easy to have rose tinted glasses when drooling over the signings we have made and our current actual position in the table and being about 10 points better off now than at the same time last season.
But here is my issue. With both Hughes and Mancini, i get the sense that both have been in the sweet shop with a platinum card - in xtacy. I am not commenting on the actual prices that have been paid for each player, but I am tyring to work out exactly what kind of plan mancini has had in mind with his buys and the tactics.
As has been pointed out on this forum many times, we have a distinct lack of natural wide players and since the demise in the quality of SWP, all has been focused on AJ and with him, I don't think mancini has not been starting him because of 'needing to learn and get the right attitude', but mancini just does not like to play wide.
Silva is a revelation, twisting and turning and with incredible vision, but we spend so much time ballet dancing around the last 3rd just trying to find that one clever ball through the defence rather than just piling down the wings and getting in the crosses. Now that we have height with Dzeko, he needs constant service from the wings, as clearly shown at Notts.
I don't want to just droan out loads of whinges here (scuze spelling) but I think that despite 12 months in the job, I just don't think that mancini has come to terms with the english premiership - at the top level. I don't think that he has anticipated how much of a target we have come for the clubs with supposedly lesser quality players.
Unless I am mistaken, can anyone tell me when we have really turned any game around comprehensively having been under pressure? In most cases, with perhaps the Villa home game, I have come away with a sense of relief rather than contentment and a feeling of complete satisfaction.
Mancini's comments after the brummie game were incredibly concerning.All he could say was that it was his fault, as the manager, at the nature of the result and that he would have to make '5 or 6' changes again!! As on the pitch, all that says to me is 'i have run out of ideas - what I thought should be working is clearly not but I don't really know what to do. What on earth must the players thought of that comment...............
I am genuinely worried about getting top four and the drastic consequences of not getting top four. I am not going to be so stupid as to suggest what mancini should be doing with every player, the tactics and making sweeping statements - as a fan of 30+ years - I have absolutely no qualifications to suggest recriminations or what should be done, but I just make a point out some areas of real concern and would ask if anyone on here can fundementally disagree with the points below - and why
a) What the sodding hell has mancini EVER seen in JO over the likes of Bellamy, Adebayor, Weiss and even Caicedo. Jo has been out on loan all over the place and no one wanted him. His attitude on the pitch is a complete professional disgrace, his ability is shot, little in the way of natural instinct and certainly not a team player. Any of the four above, completely piss all over Jo.
b) Compare what has happened to AJ in comparison to Bale. Despite Bale being on the losing side for Spurs almost more than any other player and not even being heard of for a few seasons, they kept on playing and playing him, giving him the experience and match time - which in his case - has turned him very quickly into a total world class player worthy of ANY major squad in the world. Mancini's only reason for not starting AJ most of the time is that AJ was inexperienced, a bit cocky and not quite the finished article. Since when has not starting a player like AJ for every game to build that experience and quality, been the right thing to do.
c) I know tha Ade is an arrogant cock, but he has obvious ability - just look a the amount of goals he scored for us when he first arrived. Surely, surely, he should have been the 3rd choice, over JO anytime. He scored a fucking hatrick for us in Europe and then gets dumped over JO????? I know that Mourino is not always right, but the very fact that he signed Ade, even on loan, for Real surely confirms that mancini has missed a trick.
Anyway, thanks for reading...............
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blueinsa
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bluesimon said:Whilst I am not a prolific poster on here, I have been to every game home and away (except Poznan away this season and sunderland away last season) for the past two seasons.
It is so easy to have rose tinted glasses when drooling over the signings we have made and our current actual position in the table and being about 10 points better off now than at the same time last season.
But here is my issue. With both Hughes and Mancini, i get the sense that both have been in the sweet shop with a platinum card - in xtacy. I am not commenting on the actual prices that have been paid for each player, but I am tyring to work out exactly what kind of plan mancini has had in mind with his buys and the tactics.
As has been pointed out on this forum many times, we have a distinct lack of natural wide players and since the demise in the quality of SWP, all has been focused on AJ and with him, I don't think mancini has not been starting him because of 'needing to learn and get the right attitude', but mancini just does not like to play wide.
Silva is a revelation, twisting and turning and with incredible vision, but we spend so much time ballet dancing around the last 3rd just trying to find that one clever ball through the defence rather than just piling down the wings and getting in the crosses. Now that we have height with Dzeko, he needs constant service from the wings, as clearly shown at Notts.
I don't want to just droan out loads of whinges here (scuze spelling) but I think that despite 12 months in the job, I just don't think that mancini has come to terms with the english premiership - at the top level. I don't think that he has anticipated how much of a target we have come for the clubs with supposedly lesser quality players.
Unless I am mistaken, can anyone tell me when we have really turned any game around comprehensively having been under pressure? In most cases, with perhaps the Villa home game, I have come away with a sense of relief rather than contentment and a feeling of complete satisfaction.
Mancini's comments after the brummie game were incredibly concerning.All he could say was that it was his fault, as the manager, at the nature of the result and that he would have to make '5 or 6' changes again!! As on the pitch, all that says to me is 'i have run out of ideas - what I thought should be working is clearly not but I don't really know what to do. What on earth must the players thought of that comment...............
I am genuinely worried about getting top four and the drastic consequences of not getting top four. I am not going to be so stupid as to suggest what mancini should be doing with every player, the tactics and making sweeping statements - as a fan of 30+ years - I have absolutely no qualifications to suggest recriminations or what should be done, but I just make a point out some areas of real concern and would ask if anyone on here can fundementally disagree with the points below - and why
a) What the sodding hell has mancini EVER seen in JO over the likes of Bellamy, Adebayor, Weiss and even Caicedo. Jo has been out on loan all over the place and no one wanted him. His attitude on the pitch is a complete professional disgrace, his ability is shot, little in the way of natural instinct and certainly not a team player. Any of the four above, completely piss all over Jo.
b) Compare what has happened to AJ in comparison to Bale. Despite Bale being on the losing side for Spurs almost more than any other player and not even being heard of for a few seasons, they kept on playing and playing him, giving him the experience and match time - which in his case - has turned him very quickly into a total world class player worthy of ANY major squad in the world. Mancini's only reason for not starting AJ most of the time is that AJ was inexperienced, a bit cocky and not quite the finished article. Since when has not starting a player like AJ for every game to build that experience and quality, been the right thing to do.
c) I know tha Ade is an arrogant cock, but he has obvious ability - just look a the amount of goals he scored for us when he first arrived. Surely, surely, he should have been the 3rd choice, over JO anytime. He scored a fucking hatrick for us in Europe and then gets dumped over JO????? I know that Mourino is not always right, but the very fact that he signed Ade, even on loan, for Real surely confirms that mancini has missed a trick.
Anyway, thanks for reading...............
You need to stop lurking and post a hell of a lot more mate.
Lots share your view.
Millwallawayveteran1988
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bluesimon said:Whilst I am not a prolific poster on here, I have been to every game home and away (except Poznan away this season and sunderland away last season) for the past two seasons.
It is so easy to have rose tinted glasses when drooling over the signings we have made and our current actual position in the table and being about 10 points better off now than at the same time last season.
But here is my issue. With both Hughes and Mancini, i get the sense that both have been in the sweet shop with a platinum card - in xtacy. I am not commenting on the actual prices that have been paid for each player, but I am tyring to work out exactly what kind of plan mancini has had in mind with his buys and the tactics.
As has been pointed out on this forum many times, we have a distinct lack of natural wide players and since the demise in the quality of SWP, all has been focused on AJ and with him, I don't think mancini has not been starting him because of 'needing to learn and get the right attitude', but mancini just does not like to play wide.
Silva is a revelation, twisting and turning and with incredible vision, but we spend so much time ballet dancing around the last 3rd just trying to find that one clever ball through the defence rather than just piling down the wings and getting in the crosses. Now that we have height with Dzeko, he needs constant service from the wings, as clearly shown at Notts.
I don't want to just droan out loads of whinges here (scuze spelling) but I think that despite 12 months in the job, I just don't think that mancini has come to terms with the english premiership - at the top level. I don't think that he has anticipated how much of a target we have come for the clubs with supposedly lesser quality players.
Unless I am mistaken, can anyone tell me when we have really turned any game around comprehensively having been under pressure? In most cases, with perhaps the Villa home game, I have come away with a sense of relief rather than contentment and a feeling of complete satisfaction.
Mancini's comments after the brummie game were incredibly concerning.All he could say was that it was his fault, as the manager, at the nature of the result and that he would have to make '5 or 6' changes again!! As on the pitch, all that says to me is 'i have run out of ideas - what I thought should be working is clearly not but I don't really know what to do. What on earth must the players thought of that comment...............
I am genuinely worried about getting top four and the drastic consequences of not getting top four. I am not going to be so stupid as to suggest what mancini should be doing with every player, the tactics and making sweeping statements - as a fan of 30+ years - I have absolutely no qualifications to suggest recriminations or what should be done, but I just make a point out some areas of real concern and would ask if anyone on here can fundementally disagree with the points below - and why
a) What the sodding hell has mancini EVER seen in JO over the likes of Bellamy, Adebayor, Weiss and even Caicedo. Jo has been out on loan all over the place and no one wanted him. His attitude on the pitch is a complete professional disgrace, his ability is shot, little in the way of natural instinct and certainly not a team player. Any of the four above, completely piss all over Jo.
b) Compare what has happened to AJ in comparison to Bale. Despite Bale being on the losing side for Spurs almost more than any other player and not even being heard of for a few seasons, they kept on playing and playing him, giving him the experience and match time - which in his case - has turned him very quickly into a total world class player worthy of ANY major squad in the world. Mancini's only reason for not starting AJ most of the time is that AJ was inexperienced, a bit cocky and not quite the finished article. Since when has not starting a player like AJ for every game to build that experience and quality, been the right thing to do.
c) I know tha Ade is an arrogant cock, but he has obvious ability - just look a the amount of goals he scored for us when he first arrived. Surely, surely, he should have been the 3rd choice, over JO anytime. He scored a fucking hatrick for us in Europe and then gets dumped over JO????? I know that Mourino is not always right, but the very fact that he signed Ade, even on loan, for Real surely confirms that mancini has missed a trick.
Anyway, thanks for reading...............
Agree with everything you say.
We had Jo and Guidetti on the bench last night while Adebayor was playing for Real Madrid and earlier in the week we were paying Bellamy to play for cardiff.
A good coach gets the best out of the players he has at his disposal, manages any disagreements and makes decisions to make his team perform better.