Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?

[buzzer1]

Whilst I am not a prolific poster on here, I have been to every game home and away (except Poznan away this season and sunderland away last season) for the past two seasons.

It is so easy to have rose tinted glasses when drooling over the signings we have made and our current actual position in the table and being about 10 points better off now than at the same time last season.

But here is my issue. With both Hughes and Mancini, i get the sense that both have been in the sweet shop with a platinum card - in xtacy. I am not commenting on the actual prices that have been paid for each player, but I am tyring to work out exactly what kind of plan mancini has had in mind with his buys and the tactics.

As has been pointed out on this forum many times, we have a distinct lack of natural wide players and since the demise in the quality of SWP, all has been focused on AJ and with him, I don't think mancini has not been starting him because of 'needing to learn and get the right attitude', but mancini just does not like to play wide.

Silva is a revelation, twisting and turning and with incredible vision, but we spend so much time ballet dancing around the last 3rd just trying to find that one clever ball through the defence rather than just piling down the wings and getting in the crosses. Now that we have height with Dzeko, he needs constant service from the wings, as clearly shown at Notts.

I don't want to just droan out loads of whinges here (scuze spelling) but I think that despite 12 months in the job, I just don't think that mancini has come to terms with the english premiership - at the top level. I don't think that he has anticipated how much of a target we have come for the clubs with supposedly lesser quality players.

Unless I am mistaken, can anyone tell me when we have really turned any game around comprehensively having been under pressure? In most cases, with perhaps the Villa home game, I have come away with a sense of relief rather than contentment and a feeling of complete satisfaction.

Mancini's comments after the brummie game were incredibly concerning.All he could say was that it was his fault, as the manager, at the nature of the result and that he would have to make '5 or 6' changes again!! As on the pitch, all that says to me is 'i have run out of ideas - what I thought should be working is clearly not but I don't really know what to do. What on earth must the players thought of that comment...............

I am genuinely worried about getting top four and the drastic consequences of not getting top four. I am not going to be so stupid as to suggest what mancini should be doing with every player, the tactics and making sweeping statements - as a fan of 30+ years - I have absolutely no qualifications to suggest recriminations or what should be done, but I just make a point out some areas of real concern and would ask if anyone on here can fundementally disagree with the points below - and why

a) What the sodding hell has mancini EVER seen in JO over the likes of Bellamy, Adebayor, Weiss and even Caicedo. Jo has been out on loan all over the place and no one wanted him. His attitude on the pitch is a complete professional disgrace, his ability is shot, little in the way of natural instinct and certainly not a team player. Any of the four above, completely piss all over Jo.

b) Compare what has happened to AJ in comparison to Bale. Despite Bale being on the losing side for Spurs almost more than any other player and not even being heard of for a few seasons, they kept on playing and playing him, giving him the experience and match time - which in his case - has turned him very quickly into a total world class player worthy of ANY major squad in the world. Mancini's only reason for not starting AJ most of the time is that AJ was inexperienced, a bit cocky and not quite the finished article. Since when has not starting a player like AJ for every game to build that experience and quality, been the right thing to do.

c) I know tha Ade is an arrogant cock, but he has obvious ability - just look a the amount of goals he scored for us when he first arrived. Surely, surely, he should have been the 3rd choice, over JO anytime. He scored a fucking hatrick for us in Europe and then gets dumped over JO????? I know that Mourino is not always right, but the very fact that he signed Ade, even on loan, for Real surely confirms that mancini has missed a trick.




Anyway, thanks for reading...............

Bob on that mate.
He talks of Jonno being cocky etc? erm Ballo? Ade thing was just wrong and as bad as a decision iv'e seen at City by any manager and could end up costing us.

When people mention that we need a wide/ball player and not just Silva we get the old"well he's not what we need right now" or, "it's not Bobbys type of player" comments.

One last thing, we would all like us to clean up with Bobby in charge but just because we post what we see we are not fkin doing it happily and nastily(just moaning for moanings sake), we actually give a fuk but can see something/many things not right at the moment, that is all.


Marwood, go and get first dibs on Ben Arfa when he recovers, fantastic player.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

This mess, the fact we are 3rd? I am staggered we have done so well to get where we are.

We haven't learnt one lesson of anyone building and sustaining a winning team.

The owners have been here 3 transfer window, we have had 2 managers, we have had a huge turnover of players, we have changed the academy, we have changed seats, we have even changed a whole stand of people.

Can anyone actually understand it will be another 2 seasons before we can sustain a consistant season long challenge for top spot.
Ferguson took years. Wenger walked into a winning team and has won nothing for 5 years, Ranieiri built Chelsea up into a top 4 team before Mourinho moved it on. Liverpool changed things and imploded.

It took 6 seasons of Xavi reguarly playing before Barcelona saw regular league titles.

We as City fans give it 3 matches.

Its a joke.

We have a young team that will gell over the next 2 years when they will all enter their mid twenties. At that point they can challenge for trophies and have had the time needed to understand, implement and show how a team, like Utd lacking in so many stars can overcome the likes Us, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spuds as they have had the time required.

Nani 24, 4 years. Rafael 20, 3 years. Park 29, 6 years. Anderson 22, 4 years, Evra 29, 6 years, Gibson 23, 6 years, Dletcher 27, 9 years even Evans, 23, 5 years.
Throw in the experience of van der Saar, Camelgob, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Rooney, Hargreaves and Carrick.
The next set is beginning Valencia, Chica, Smalling, Baby, Lindegaard ad those fuckers will be winning something before ours, because they have learnt the art of consistancy, patience and continuity.

I cant think of anyone bar Richards who has been here 5 years. Who do the kids learn from, the revolving door manager or revolving door first team?

We are currently sat 3rd, IF everyone pulled together we can do this, but we wont because its far easier to blame and moan.

Exactly! I've been posting shit like this for months. Yet I was arrogantly laughed by some at and told I was clueless for saying United would finish 12points above us by the end of the season. We'll battle it out for fourth again this year but I feel the improvement will be that we will get it this time, but it will be very difficult. If we attain fourth I'll be chuffed as buns whereas the unrealistic lot will be disappointed, which is frankly ridiculous because we should all be enjoying this!

 

[Any1aBlue]

There's nothing wrong with Barry or Milner. Both are good players who would get into most sides.

The trouble is, Milner is a central midfielder. He doesn't have the pace nor technical trickery to play out on the wing, so he looks poor doing that. But as a box to box central midfield player who will run his socks off for 95 minutes, he is a fine player. Play him in the middle and he can do a very good job for us.

Barry is a holding midfield player. He is not Lampard and trying to pretend he is, is ridiculous. Play Nigel de Jong OR Barry, but not both. We were criticised earlier in the season for playing 3 defensive midfield players. We dismissed that saying that the players were not DM's. Actually at least 2 of them are. It's only because we have told Yaya to get up front that it's not 3 of them.

'MOST' sides aren't aiming for top four - Milner and Barry patently are not up to it. Milner was bought as a winger - he hasn't enough gile to be in the centre and insufficient pace for the wing..........same for Barry really!

 

[Any1aBlue]

This mess, the fact we are 3rd? I am staggered we have done so well to get where we are.

We haven't learnt one lesson of anyone building and sustaining a winning team.

The owners have been here 3 transfer window, we have had 2 managers, we have had a huge turnover of players, we have changed the academy, we have changed seats, we have even changed a whole stand of people.

Can anyone actually understand it will be another 2 seasons before we can sustain a consistant season long challenge for top spot.
Ferguson took years. Wenger walked into a winning team and has won nothing for 5 years, Ranieiri built Chelsea up into a top 4 team before Mourinho moved it on. Liverpool changed things and imploded.

It took 6 seasons of Xavi reguarly playing before Barcelona saw regular league titles.

We as City fans give it 3 matches.

Its a joke.

We have a young team that will gell over the next 2 years when they will all enter their mid twenties. At that point they can challenge for trophies and have had the time needed to understand, implement and show how a team, like Utd lacking in so many stars can overcome the likes Us, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spuds as they have had the time required.

Nani 24, 4 years. Rafael 20, 3 years. Park 29, 6 years. Anderson 22, 4 years, Evra 29, 6 years, Gibson 23, 6 years, Dletcher 27, 9 years even Evans, 23, 5 years.
Throw in the experience of van der Saar, Camelgob, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Rooney, Hargreaves and Carrick.
The next set is beginning Valencia, Chica, Smalling, Baby, Lindegaard ad those fuckers will be winning something before ours, because they have learnt the art of consistancy, patience and continuity.

I cant think of anyone bar Richards who has been here 5 years. Who do the kids learn from, the revolving door manager or revolving door first team?

We are currently sat 3rd, IF everyone pulled together we can do this, but we wont because its far easier to blame and moan.

Exactly! I've been posting shit like this for months. Yet I was arrogantly laughed by some at and told I was clueless for saying United would finish 12points above us by the end of the season. We'll battle it out for fourth again this year but I feel the improvement will be that we will get it this time, but it will be very difficult. If we attain fourth I'll be chuffed as buns whereas the unrealistic lot will be disappointed, which is frankly ridiculous because we should all be enjoying this!

but we play JO..................how the hell can we be taken seriously?

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Exactly! I've been posting shit like this for months. Yet I was arrogantly laughed by some at and told I was clueless for saying United would finish 12points above us by the end of the season. We'll battle it out for fourth again this year but I feel the improvement will be that we will get it this time, but it will be very difficult. If we attain fourth I'll be chuffed as buns whereas the unrealistic lot will be disappointed, which is frankly ridiculous because we should all be enjoying this!

but we play JO..................how the hell can we be taken seriously?

Oh no no, don't het me wrong. Jô is terrible and Vieira in my opinion is worse and makes bigger mistakes than Jô does. Read many of my posts and I am quite critical of Mancini, I constantly say he is one dimensional and we play far too slowly to succeed in this league.

I haven't made my mind up on Mancini yet. I was flabagasted he sent Bellamy packing. Apart from his misplaced pass which lead to Scholes' winner (when Ireland didn't track back after being stood next to Scholes on the half way line) at the CoMS last season; he was brilliant! Maybe that was part of the things that were given to Tévez to make him happy (as well as giving him the captaincy - he shouldn't be our captain, and whatever else was offered to him as well as time off to go to see his kids in Argentina and swan off on holiday to Tenerife with some slapper!).

But I want to enjoy this time. I think we are only the fourth or fifth best team so we are in about the right place. And there are many plus points too.

 

[Marvin]

What mess?

And if there was one, we can't sort it out. That's down to the coach and players

Supporters job is to support the team. WUMs job is to post threads like this

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

What mess?

And if there was one, we can't sort it out. That's down to the coach and players

Supporters job is to support the team. WUMs job is to post threads like this

to have a chat on a forum...

 

[Rodney]

Keep calm and cary on

 

[bluefandk]

Keep calm and cary on

well thats not happening is it? ;-)

 

[Rodney]

Keep calm and cary on

well thats not happening is it? ;-)

Nope - we have not bought the right to win everything (or anything) but we have bought the right to compete. We are doing that, we are third and, as they say the table doesnt lie. Some seem to have forgotten where we have come from.