Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?

[Blue Tooth]

Interesting how the debate has moved from answering the OP's question with discussion about tactics and formations to the question 'should we change the manager?'
After all the years of manager changes we have seen at City we must know better than any set of fans how important a period of stability would be for the club as a whole.
Mancini is no superman and nor for that matter is Mourhino in my opinion.
I think Bobby is doing a good job and making progress...of course we might hit a bump in the road now and then but let's not get too carried away..where we currently sit despite the recent form blip is very encouraging and we have seen glimpses of what it looks like when it does all click...i honestly believe we will get stronger if and only if we allow him a few seasons to keep on working...maybe in the modern game that is just not possible...I do feel deep down that bringing in Jose would be a huge gamble and possibly one with disastrous consequences...It would smack of desperation...what's the hurry??...right now we are competing on 3 fronts and could land some silverware this year...I know football is all about opinions but it bemuses me that there can be so many pessimistic views when things look so good on so many levels for Man City right now.

 

[Anonymous]

We're halfway through our most successful (at least so far) season in decades and yet there are still a vocal few out there - a mix of grumbleweeds & rag infiltrators - who come on the forum to be as outlandishly pessimistic as possible.
Does anyone else find it strange that so many of us knock the press for their knee jerk headline exaggerations yet we seem to remain happy to hype up the gloom ourselves on Blue Moon.

Sorry that my posting isn't as spectacular as 'lets all get critical about the manager' but I just thought I'd voice the view I have because the Blues I've known in supporting this club for the last 45+ years have always been known for being true fans (fanatics) who show mature patience and stick with their team through thick and thin.

I think that most of us still do(hear us singing for Mancini tomorrow) and that it's just a vocal minority comprised of those who feel let down because they've allowed their aspirations to race ahead of reality . . plus a few rag snipers pleased to come in here and stir up disenchantment for their perverse pleasure.

Ahhh, good old rule number 1...

If you dont agree with someone, tell them there not proper fans and even worse, RAGS!

Give over ffs.

I didn't say that they were rags - just alluded to the fact that there are a few rag snipers lurking in the bushes and that they add their weight of negativity to stir up those who feel let down because they've allowed their aspirations to race ahead of reality .

I was trying to call for a bit of reason and trying not to upset anyone while doing so (note that it was all put as a personal view - not as if all I said had to be accepted as carved in the proverbial stone).

Sorry if I hit a nerve with you . . not intended but my view remains undaunted and I think that you might agree if you re-read it and consider (thanks)

 

[fbloke]

Yeah I do know how this works but I get a very real sense that 'the cards' we are referring to have nothing to do with City, City's board or the people in Abu Dhabi.

No problems bud.

Apologies if my posts are coming over in a confrontational way as well, not meant to in any way shape or form.

Never thought you were being confrontational mate, so no worries.

I just think that people are getting ahead of the issue re;Jose and making lots of assumptions.

I know there are people on here who are utterly, utterly convinced that a deal is in play for Mourinho but some have been saying that for way too long for it to have credence IMO.

I happened to post on April 1st that City had walked away from Jose, and I was proved right in the end, he went to Real (likely to have been his plan all along).

It seems disingenuous if City are still interested now as the message has been loud and clear in favour of Mancini.

When people start to suggest that Mancini is ready to step aside for the greater good it seems like a pretty desperate a train of thought really. All to get an egotistical hand grenade in the dressing room.

 

[inbetween]

Mourinho will not come to City, not until Real Madrid becomes another success story anyway, it took him 2 years to mould Inter. Ironically a team built from the ground up by Mancini... Go Figure.

 

[sheikys billions]

Just a blip

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'm being very presumptuous there of course. But money talks. And isn't he pals with the sheikh ?

Maybe the deal was always that he would step aside for Jose? Because it isn't the first time it's been on the cards

I'm sorry mate, but there is no way Mancini would ever have agreed to such a deal.

He was shafted at Inter, after just having signed a new 4 year deal at the Club, as soon as they got wind of the fact that they could get Mourinho. This was a real slap in the face for him. History has shown they were right to do so, but Mancini's reputation took a serious knock from the whole episode.

He went from being one of the best young Managers in the game to a poor man's Mourinho. The very top jobs were no longer available to him. I mean - he's admitted to having considered joining Sven at Notts County. He struck lucky joining us, but even the most rose tinted of City fans would surely agree that back then we weren't right at the top table - we still aren't now, but our reputation is growing for sure.

There is no way that Mancini would then agree to come to us, and then willingly step aside for the very man whose appointment caused this dent to his reputation. He would be shown up in the footballing world to be Mourinho's lackey on two seperate occasions so early in his career. The damage to his reputation would be almost irreperable, and a man with Mancini's pride and ego would not willingly allow that to happen to him.

Sack the **** then ;)

 

[levets]

'We' as a group of fans are as fickle as fuck. 3 weeks ago, every fucker chanting his name.. even the so called Cabal we starting to warm to him... get a grip people!

Is it his fault Hart keeps fucking up recently?
Is it his fault that Richards & De Jong collided and it upset the team balance?
Is it his fault that we missed loads of chances at Villa?
Is it his fault that referees make the wrong decision? Penalty against Carr.

Kolarov was cm's away from winning the game at a place where Utd struggled & Chelsea lost.

We are THIRD in the premier league.. Now is the time to believe, not question. We can do that at the appropriate time.

 

[robbieh]

I should also add that it isn't our job to 'sort this 3rd place in the PL and still in 2 cups mess' out . . . that's the managers job and all the backbiting and sniping in the world (which is sure to be from those on here with more top level football management experience and success than RM?) can only do little else than have no effect or possibly a negative effect.

I don't like to think I'm the only one on Blue Moon who takes pride in supporting the club rather than knocking it at every opportunity but it sometimes looks that way what with the high incidence of negative threads and comment. Not saying that the negative views shouldn't have a voice but there's surely room for a bit more of a reasoned and patient perspective?

Anyone else out there?

There are several posters noticeable by their absence when we are riding the crest of a wave but who then reappear volubly after a couple of defeats/draws. These threads then always develop into Mancini isn't good enough. It's been going on ever since he arrived. And will probably go on til he leaves. They like to throw in a few conspiracy theories just to muddy the waters and extend thread to massive proportions.

They are very naughty and mischievous but they aren't RAGs

 

[mammutly]

Interesting how the debate has moved from answering the OP's question with discussion about tactics and formations to the question 'should we change the manager?'
After all the years of manager changes we have seen at City we must know better than any set of fans how important a period of stability would be for the club as a whole.
Mancini is no superman and nor for that matter is Mourhino in my opinion.
I think Bobby is doing a good job and making progress...of course we might hit a bump in the road now and then but let's not get too carried away..where we currently sit despite the recent form blip is very encouraging and we have seen glimpses of what it looks like when it does all click...i honestly believe we will get stronger if and only if we allow him a few seasons to keep on working...maybe in the modern game that is just not possible...I do feel deep down that bringing in Jose would be a huge gamble and possibly one with disastrous consequences...It would smack of desperation...what's the hurry??...right now we are competing on 3 fronts and could land some silverware this year...I know football is all about opinions but it bemuses me that there can be so many pessimistic views when things look so good on so many levels for Man City right now.

Completely agree with this.

Mancini is a proven winner and has clearly shown his potential in this league.

City have been crying out for stability for many years and to suggest another change of manager in response to a slight dip in form is completely daft.

 

[simon23]

I no way do I want RM sacked (though if he fails to get 4th then it may be a different matter as I believe with this squad he should get it)

In my opinion we are playing well below our potential....we were doring he same at the start oft he season...we then started to pick up (coinciding with balo gettting fit and him playing alongside tev whoch made us certainly more attacking)....however since balo's layoff we have reverted to slow negative football....

And whats RM;s responce to this????....Look at the offical site and it seems to me that he is saying he is going to revert to being MORE defensive

Now look at the best teams in the prem league - utd chelski and arsenal....None of them play defensive football, all of them attack and do so at pace and in numbers....different styles but all play quickly and with either wingers, attacking midfielders and two front men (Utd) or 3 front men and attacking mobile midfielders (chelski) or a very fluid system which revolves around sharp quick interplay with quick skillful players (arsenal)

We are none of those!!!!...we are slow and methodical and that is why we struggle to break teams down....not scoring many goals immediately puts US under pressure....a 1-0 lead is very fragile and can turn to 1 pt or even no points very very quickly....and if you ar going to sit on a 1-0 lead you ahve to be able to play on the break....and we dont have the pace to do that anymore

RM has got it wrong again. He has removed any option of a plan B, he has us playing negative slow football with little creative spark, and that is putting the team under more pressure

If we dont get 4th I wouldnt be too suprised to see key players come out (or at least there be runours of it) and say they were unhappy under his management....and I for one could fully see why.

Just because he is the manager doesnt make him immune to criticism, or immune to the possiblity of making mistakes...but then to say he is going to go more defensive (or words to that effect)....is just compounding his error