Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?

[howfen blue]

Can't believe the head in the sand merchants regarding redknapp on here. I'm not a Mancini outer but twitcher knows a player when he sees one and manages to get the very best out of his players and we are going toe to toe with them for 4th despite our budget dwarfing there's!!! I'd be very interested to have seen what he could achieve with our squad tbh

 

[PistonBlue]

Rubbish. Spurs were hardly relegation candidates, they were just badly managed. Yes Redknapp has got them playing as well they should be with that squad, but if you're prepared to accept this perceived success whilst effectively dismissing Mancini's proper success then I have to say I'm disappointed in you.

Eh?

I said "success with their clubs". The point was that when you have achieved as manager of your club, you are inevitably cut some slack when things don't go right.

Everyone in football knows Redknapp has had it, that's why he's favourite for the England job. He's taken Spur from the bottom of the league to the champions league - at our expense.

Why are you trying to deny what is blatantly and obviously true?

That's kind of my point though. Your 'success with their clubs' is a convenient cop out. Mancini has actually had real success elsewhere and given time, I believe he will do here too.
The so-called success enjoyed by Redknapp at Spurs, for me doesn't stand up to Mancini's managerial record. To suggest Redknapp made relegation fodder into a CL side is fanciful and creative with the truth, which was as everyone knows that Ramos clearly couldn't manage in this country. All Redknapp has done is got an expensively assembled squad of very good players to do what it gets paid to do. I'm not trying to demean Arry's 'success' , but he's not done anything like say what Holloway has done with that squad, and ultimately his record doesn't compare to Mancini's.

As for the England job, Redknapp is the best choice (of Englishman) by default - what's the alternative, Allardyce?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Redknapp's hopes of England will finish in June.

His court case with the tax man is going through and HMRC are determined to make an example of him.

£165k tax dodge, they will throw him inside, if they get their way.

Only Mourinho takes this Mancini team to the next level if the opportunity presents itself.

Just as it did at Inter.

 

[howfen blue]

Redknapp's hopes of England will finish in June.

His court case with the tax man is going through and HMRC are determined to make an example of him.

£165k tax dodge, they will throw him inside, if they get their way.

Only Mourinho takes this Mancini team to the next level if the opportunity presents itself.

Just as it did at Inter.

I'm convinced that if droopy would have got the financial backing and squad that bobby has been given and the squad he inherited we would be in a better position than the one we are in and it pains me to say that!!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think what you're saying, Piston, is that Mancini had a better track record than REdknapp before City. I don't believe that will be a significant factor at all if it came to the crunch.

I don't think clubs pay masses of attention to a manager's prior record when considering sacking them. They look at what they've done for the club much closer than what they've done for another club. Especially when they are working in a new country.

So Redknapp's success on getting Spurs to the Champs league, and his budget and the club's expectations, would mean there is no way he would be fired if they finish 5th, I believe. He's also succeeded in getting them past the group stages and earnt them tens of millions.

Mancini's been targetted with top 4 once and failed. This year I believe his target was higher. If he doesn't get 4th this year it won't matter a jot what he did at bloody LAzio or whereever.

He'll be gone. REdknapp won't.

 

[PistonBlue]

I think what you're saying, Piston, is that Mancini had a better track record than REdknapp before City. I don't believe that will be a significant factor at all if it came to the crunch.

I don't think clubs pay masses of attention to a manager's prior record when considering sacking them. They look at what they've done for the club much closer than what they've done for another club. Especially when they are working in a new country.

So Redknapp's success on getting Spurs to the Champs league, and his budget and the club's expectations, would mean there is no way he would be fired if they finish 5th, I believe. He's also succeeded in getting them past the group stages and earnt them tens of millions.

Mancini's been targetted with top 4 once and failed. This year I believe his target was higher. If he doesn't get 4th this year it won't matter a jot what he did at bloody LAzio or whereever.

He'll be gone. REdknapp won't.

Of course that's what I'm saying. Because it true.

I don't believe Mancini will get sacked if we don't make the top 4. I don't actually think it will come to that anyway, we'll finish above chelsea or spurs, or both imo. I don't believe his target was higher than that for this year either. Our owners and Chairman seem very level headed people and as such I don't they expected, even with the money we've spent that would be in a position to actually win the League this year. Next years target will almost certainly be at least one trophy, if not to win the Prem, but I honestly believe Mancini will be successful here if he's given time.

Just a question re Redknapp, do you think Spurs have ambitions to win the League and do you think Redknapp could deliver it? I believe the answer to both with regards to us and Mancini is Yes.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Yeah? What 'success' has Redknapp enjoyed in comparison to Mancini?

You're damn right is isn't the same scenario.

They are in the champions league- at our expense as it goes. Taking spurs from delegation candidates to that represents success and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise

Weren't Spuds the current FL Cup winners and in the UEFA Cup when The Twitch took over?

 

[SWP's back]

I think what you're saying, Piston, is that Mancini had a better track record than REdknapp before City. I don't believe that will be a significant factor at all if it came to the crunch.

I don't think clubs pay masses of attention to a manager's prior record when considering sacking them. They look at what they've done for the club much closer than what they've done for another club. Especially when they are working in a new country.

So Redknapp's success on getting Spurs to the Champs league, and his budget and the club's expectations, would mean there is no way he would be fired if they finish 5th, I believe. He's also succeeded in getting them past the group stages and earnt them tens of millions.

Mancini's been targetted with top 4 once and failed. This year I believe his target was higher. If he doesn't get 4th this year it won't matter a jot what he did at bloody LAzio or whereever.

He'll be gone. REdknapp won't.

That is the crux of it.

You don't know, I don't know.

Having said that, I am big Mancini fan but if he doesn't secure 4th, I would be surprised if he is here come August.

 

[Greenjob]

No we don't. That's a baseless fan cliche .

We present a new manager with a very strong squad which needs a few changes and let him mould them into a team. Like wenger, ancelotti and mourinho did

Correct. We are two signings away from being potential champions. One is a CB and on a top midfielder.

Mancini messed up in the January window. Relying on Vieira in midfield as a back up is never going to work. Pinnear was available for £3 million. Not only do we ignore that option, despite him being player of the season for Everton last year, we then see him move to Spurs.

We need an Arteta/Fabregas/Modric type player desperately.

Absoloutely spot on mate. It is the M/F that wins matches. You look at the quality at Arsenal, Chelsea and to a lesser degree Manure everything is generated through the central players as it does at Real and Barca. Unfortunately, Messrs Barry, Milner, Viera are just not quite what is required. Yaya gets forward but gets knackered and saunters at times. Without someone to thread a decent through ball and assist David Silva, that casm between the central and forward line will be countered by quality.

 

[johnny crossan]

I think what you're saying, Piston, is that Mancini had a better track record than REdknapp before City. I don't believe that will be a significant factor at all if it came to the crunch.

I don't think clubs pay masses of attention to a manager's prior record when considering sacking them. They look at what they've done for the club much closer than what they've done for another club. Especially when they are working in a new country. So Redknapp's success on getting Spurs to the Champs league, and his budget and the club's expectations, would mean there is no way he would be fired if they finish 5th, I believe. He's also succeeded in getting them past the group stages and earnt them tens of millions.
Mancini's been targetted with top 4 once and failed. This year I believe his target was higher. If he doesn't get 4th this year it won't matter a jot what he did at bloody LAzio or whereever.
He'll be gone. REdknapp won't.

That is the crux of it.
You don't know, I don't know.

Having said that, I am big Mancini fan but if he doesn't secure 4th, I would be surprised if he is here come August.

and when Spurs depart the Champs League tonight, and finish 7th in the league, I think come August 'Arry would be sitting at home waiting for the call to take up where Capello left off and Mancio will be sitting where he is now, plotting a Champs League campaign with silverware on the dresser. But as you say, you don't know, I don't know and the as for the other fella, you can rely that whatever happens he knew all along!