Fox Hunting.....

[Slipper One]

But you said humans aren't killing everything.

..........but they're not killing everything, are they?

"....successfully on Earth for so many millions of years before humans came along to kill everything."

You imply that if it's alive, man will seek to kill it, which isn't true.

Has there been a detrimental impact from man's expansion and increased industrial activity, of course there has. The others that you elude to wouldn't exist at all, as they are bred purposely for human consumption.

 

[Magicpole]

There are hunting kennels not far from where I live. Some of the dogs are absolutely huge but even though they are pack animals they are all very friendly. They get shot when they can no longer hunt as they won’t let anyone have them as pets even though they crave for human contact.

The hounds are brilliant. It’s the humans involved I would want hunted. I’d pay good money for that. Oh and a channel of the accidents, up to and including death from falls from their horse, who will be totally unharmed.

 

[GoatersLeftShin]

Hunting foxes with dogs is barbaric. If there is a problem with foxes, I'm sure there's more humane ways to deal with the problem.

The real problem is that some posh twats like to dress up to the nines, ride around on horses and encourage dogs to rip up foxes for fun. FUN. If you find that fun, there's something fundamentally wrong with you in my opinion. Why is cock-fighting, dog-fighting etc banned? Because it's barbaric. Fox hunting is the posh persons cock-fighting.

It should be banned and maybe we can put some effort into prosecuting people who continually break the law. Make an example of them, get them locked up and let's see how many want to continue to do it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Hunting foxes with dogs is barbaric. If there is a problem with foxes, I'm sure there's more humane ways to deal with the problem.

The real problem is that some posh twats like to dress up to the nines, ride around on horses and encourage dogs to rip up foxes for fun. FUN. If you find that fun, there's something fundamentally wrong with you in my opinion. Why is cock-fighting, dog-fighting etc banned? Because it's barbaric. Fox hunting is the posh persons cock-fighting.

It should be banned and maybe we can put some effort into prosecuting people who continually break the law. Make an example of them, get them locked up and let's see how many want to continue to do it.

Well said mate

 

[Lavinda Past]

Fox hunters = Bad cunts

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

An absolute ****’s game.

 

[Slipper One]

Hunting foxes with dogs is barbaric. If there is a problem with foxes, I'm sure there's more humane ways to deal with the problem.

The real problem is that some posh twats like to dress up to the nines, ride around on horses and encourage dogs to rip up foxes for fun. FUN. If you find that fun, there's something fundamentally wrong with you in my opinion. Why is cock-fighting, dog-fighting etc banned? Because it's barbaric. Fox hunting is the posh persons cock-fighting.

It should be banned and maybe we can put some effort into prosecuting people who continually break the law. Make an example of them, get them locked up and let's see how many want to continue to do it.

For many out riding, the killing of a fox is secondary to dressing up to the nines and galloping across farmers fields for an afternoon. As long as they can do that, it really doesn't matter if it's a fox or drag hunt. Of course there are others that are hoping to catch a fox, and they aren't necessarily all on horseback.

They are generally not present when the fox is caught anyway. A fox is vermin and will kill for pleasure itself, but as you say, in this day and age there are better ways to control the numbers from a wildlife management perspective, or to deal with individuals that become an issue.

 

[Blue and true]

I remember seeing a news report when I was young about fox hunting, a good few years before the ban. In it, around hundred hounds chased a fox into a ditch before catching it. It traumatised me, kept me awake a fair few nights afterwards. I remember my Dad screaming in anger at the TV, but then he's always loved animals. As others have said, anyone that partakes in this is a fucking lowlife.

Generally speaking, if it dresses like a ****, and talks like a ****, it's going to act like a ****. That's fox hunters.

 

[Koniec]

For many out riding, the killing of a fox is secondary to dressing up to the nines and galloping across farmers fields for an afternoon. As long as they can do that, it really doesn't matter if it's a fox or drag hunt. Of course there are others that are hoping to catch a fox, and they aren't necessarily all on horseback.

They are generally not present when the fox is caught anyway. A fox is vermin and will kill for pleasure itself, but as you say, in this day and age there are better ways to control the numbers from a wildlife management perspective, or to deal with individuals that become an issue.

A fox is vermin? A fox is just a fox doing fox stuff. I regularly see them round my way, in a semi built up area, they have even just walked past me without even looking at me, It’s the hubris of man to think we need to manage wildlife. We need to manage ourselves 1st.

 

[tweetstreet]

Hunting foxes with dogs is barbaric. If there is a problem with foxes, I'm sure there's more humane ways to deal with the problem.

The real problem is that some posh twats like to dress up to the nines, ride around on horses and encourage dogs to rip up foxes for fun. FUN. If you find that fun, there's something fundamentally wrong with you in my opinion. Why is cock-fighting, dog-fighting etc banned? Because it's barbaric. Fox hunting is the posh persons cock-fighting.

It should be banned and maybe we can put some effort into prosecuting people who continually break the law. Make an example of them, get them locked up and let's see how many want to continue to do it.

that’s a large part of it, most just want to ride their horses fast across a vast expanse of land.

if you see foxes as vermin and your intent is to cull their numbers then the cost of the hunt (huntmaster wage, feeding and housing the hounds etc) which Is vast could be easily paid to the farmers for permission to ride their land and the rest of the cash given towards more humane and economical methods of culling foxes,


that’s not withstanding the fact that since the ban came in fox numbers have reduced anyway, which is either due to the hunt getting more efficient when they’ve got sabs and public eyes on them constantly or perhaps due up the fact that the tend to catch the older and I’ll foxes. Not doing this means that those foxes now spread disease amongst their own population and reduce their numbers by natural selection

 

[stonie]

I would like to hunt and set a pack of dogs on the arseholes that think it looks good to dress like a dick and torture and kill foxes, fkn scum bags!

 

[Maintainin]

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Animation using actual sound recording made at hunts in Sussex, England during clashes between hunts and hunt saboteurs. Made as a tribute by Millie Young to the brave work of hunt saboteurs in the UK.​

 

[Bradley82]

For many out riding, the killing of a fox is secondary to dressing up to the nines and galloping across farmers fields for an afternoon. As long as they can do that, it really doesn't matter if it's a fox or drag hunt. Of course there are others that are hoping to catch a fox, and they aren't necessarily all on horseback.

They are generally not present when the fox is caught anyway. A fox is vermin and will kill for pleasure itself, but as you say, in this day and age there are better ways to control the numbers from a wildlife management perspective, or to deal with individuals that become an issue.

Sometimes a fox will kill every chicken in a field but it usually buries or hides them and will come back to dig them up on consecutive days to eat. The Fox is simply killing to save energy and time the next time it needs food. It's a bit like people doing a large supermarket shop in one go rather than go to to the shop to get each individual meal. I despise fox hunting and every dickhead that takes part in it. The people you mention not being on horseback are the terrier men so if people just wanted to drag hunt or simply ride they wouldn't need terrier men with spades for dig-outs or a hound pack.
The killing of a a fox is always primary.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why is the ban unworkable? Just arrest the law breaking twats. or are they too posh to be arrested??

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16331762" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16331762</a>

Minister Jim Paice says Hunting Act is unworkable

The Hunting Act "simply doesn't work", Agriculture Minister Jim Paice has said, as hundreds of hunts gathered for their traditional Boxing Day meets.

On a visit to hunt kennels in Peterborough, the Conservative minister said he supported hunting with dogs.

He added that the coalition agreed there would be a vote on whether to repeal the act when there was "time in the parliamentary calendar".

The 2005 act makes it illegal to hunt wild animals using dogs.

Hunt supporters describe the act as expensive and failed, and are calling for it to be repealed. But opponents say there is no desire among the general public to bring it back.

Ahead of the annual hunt in Milton Park, Peterborough, Mr Paice, whose ministerial portfolio includes hunting, said: "The current law simply doesn't work.

"I personally am in favour of hunting with dogs - and the coalition agreement clearly states that we will have a free vote on whether to repeal the act when there is time in the parliamentary calendar to do so."

Anti-hunt campaigner Michael Haines and supporter Tracy Casstles give their views on fox hunting

Alice Barnard, chief executive of the Countryside Alliance, said 250,000 people were expected to come out to support their local hunt.

It was a point of pride for rural communities across the UK that, despite prejudice, hunting remained as strong as ever, she added.

Tracy Casstles, also from the Countryside Alliance, said the act was "confused" and a waste of police time, as she insisted hunts tried to work within the law.

Hunt saboteur Michael Haines, however, said he has seen the law being broken "every single week".

League Against Cruel Sports chief executive Joe Duckworth said it was "utterly appalling" that people could think "chasing a wild animal with hounds to the point of exhaustion and then taking pleasure in watching it being killed was acceptable".

"This cruel blood sport has thankfully been made illegal in this country and there is absolutely no desire among the general public to bring it back."

North Devon Liberal Democrat MP Nick Harvey said the law was "dangerous" because of the impracticalities of trying to enforce it.

Devon and Cornwall Police have never issued any cautions, fines or convicted anyone associated with hunting since the ban came into effect, and Mr Harvey said: "I think Parliament has passed a piece of legislation that it is not possible in practice to implement, and I think that's dangerous.

"The message that sends out is that some people's activities are beyond the arm of the law."

But Labour's Mary Creagh, the shadow environment secretary, rejected calls to change the current law. She said: "There is no place for animal cruelty in a civilised society and most people back Labour's ban on hunting wild animals with dogs.

"People are worried about their incomes falling, prices rising and losing their jobs, yet this out of touch Tory-led government want to bring hunting back."

Too posh or maybe too Tory - both cheeks on the same arse

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP Hosts Criminal Fox Hunt - Hunt Saboteurs Association

Jacob Rees-Mogg’s links to the disgusting Mendip Farmers Hunt are well documented. His wife, Helena, was a former Hunt Master

www.huntsabs.org.uk

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Sometimes a fox will kill every chicken in a field but it usually buries or hides them and will come back to dig them up on consecutive days to eat. The Fox is simply killing to save energy and time the next time it needs food. It's a bit like people doing a large supermarket shop in one go rather than go to to the shop to get each individual meal. I despise fox hunting and every dickhead that takes part in it. The people you mention not being on horseback are the terrier men so if people just wanted to drag hunt or simply ride they wouldn't need terrier men with spades for dig-outs or a hound pack.
The killing of a a fox is always primary.

Just killing animals for pleasure. Pandering to the worst instincts in humans. The people who do this are the lowest of the low. A thug who kills a cat on a council estate ends up in court. A thug in a Barbour jacket who kills wildlife for sadistic fun ends up being invited to tea by twats like Rees-Mogg. It epitomises everything that is wrong with this country.

 

[meltonblue]

Just killing animals for pleasure. Pandering to the worst instincts in humans. The people who do this are the lowest of the low. A thug who kills a cat on a council estate ends up in court. A thug in a Barbour jacket who kills wildlife for sadistic fun ends up being invited to tea by twats like Rees-Mogg. It epitomises everything that is wrong with this country.

Not sure which one is the bigger punishment to be fair… ;)

 

[Slipper One]

Sometimes a fox will kill every chicken in a field but it usually buries or hides them and will come back to dig them up on consecutive days to eat. The Fox is simply killing to save energy and time the next time it needs food. It's a bit like people doing a large supermarket shop in one go rather than go to to the shop to get each individual meal. I despise fox hunting and every dickhead that takes part in it. The people you mention not being on horseback are the terrier men so if people just wanted to drag hunt or simply ride they wouldn't need terrier men with spades for dig-outs or a hound pack.
The killing of a a fox is always primary.

Not in my experience Bradley, just kill everything and leave, and leave not because they have been disturbed. Perhaps they intend to come back at some point, but I have no idea.

It never hurts to get rid of a few or more, especially around lambing time. They won't go extinct.

There are more involved who are not on horseback than just the terrier men.

How do the riders follow a drag scent without hounds?

There are designated bridle paths, but these don't replicate or allow the galloping of horses across open land like a hunt does. It's doubtful that a farmer would allow such a thing to happen unless it was hunt related.

 

[Blue Boy 63]

Not in my experience Bradley, just kill everything and leave, and leave not because they have been disturbed. Perhaps they intend to come back at some point, but I have no idea.

It never hurts to get rid of a few or more, especially around lambing time. They won't go extinct.

There are more involved who are not on horseback than just the terrier men.

How do the riders follow a drag scent without hounds?

There are designated bridle paths, but these don't replicate or allow the galloping of horses across open land like a hunt does. It's doubtful that a farmer would allow such a thing to happen unless it was hunt related.

It1 been illegal to hunt foxes with hounds since 2004 .

 

[daveoswald]

Seems a bit out of touch with the modern world, how ever if you are a poultry farmer, or have lambs, from your perspective they need to be controlled, i get the impression the hunts are more of a social occasion for the red top snobs who can afford horses, in that case they can drag hunt. If you like bloodthirsty sport go on youtube and watch the ratting with terriers vids, incredible stuff.

 

[Slipper One]

Seems a bit out of touch with the modern world, how ever if you are a poultry farmer, or have lambs, from your perspective they need to be controlled, i get the impression the hunts are more of a social occasion for the red top snobs who can afford horses, in that case they can drag hunt. If you like bloodthirsty sport go on youtube and watch the ratting with terriers vids, incredible stuff.

As I've mentioned earlier on this thread, I have no time for fox hunting on horseback, there are more efficient and effective ways to control their numbers.

Ratting with terriers does nothing for me. If something needs controlling, then it should be quick and clean.