Fracas at Ewood concourse bar today!

[Berkovic_blue]

I think you'll find Section 151 does. It was designed with that particular activity in mind. The words:



May assist in that regard.

Subsections (1), (2) and (4) do not apply where

Did you deliberately cut that bit or do you not read so good?

And the key word amongst all that jargon is KNOWINGLY. I say again, good luck proving in court that the checkout monkey knowingly sold booze to a parent who then gave it to their underage kid to drink outside the shop door.

Well done at least from departing from Wikipeadia to acquire legal knowledge.

You have the bare-faced cheek to criticise me when you're even denying the legal age that a person can consume alcohol in a private place merely because I linked to wiki. I already knew the law, it was convenient to link to them

I suggest you go to bed and revisit this in the morning when you hopefully have a clear head (and stop acting like such a prissy dickhead) as you're making yourself look foolish. Just some friendly advice for you ;)

P.S Have a think about the word KNOWINGLY. Standing next to someone in a checkout queue or bar queue does not automatically mean you're going to give them booze to drink in public and the law does not assume this either. You will not be able to cite any relevant cases that contradict this.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Did you deliberately cut that bit or do you not read so good?

And the key word amongst all that jargon is KNOWINGLY. I say again, good luck proving in court that the checkout monkey knowingly sold booze to a parent who then gave it to their underage kid to drink outside the shop door.

Well done at least from departing from Wikipeadia to acquire legal knowledge.

You have the bare-faced cheek to criticise me when you're even denying the legal age that a person can consume alcohol in a private place merely because I linked to wiki. I already knew the law, it was convenient to link to them

I suggest you go to bed and revisit this in the morning when you hopefully have a clear head (and stop acting like such a prissy dickhead) as you're making yourself look foolish. Just some friendly advice for you ;)

I have never denied the legal drinking age for a child in their home is five. It absolutely is. Please point to where I have said otherwise.

What I have taken issue with, which you are struggling to grasp, is your absurd claim that it isn't the responsibility of serving staff to decide whether alcohol will be passed onto a minor. It absolutely is their responsibility. In law, as per the 2003 Licensing Act. I have quoted you the relevant sections.

I only appear foolish to you because, sadly, you lack the mental dexterity to appreciate the point I am trying to make.

 

[stony]

*bookmarks thread and looks forward to reading in morning*

 

[Carver]

I doubt any of this matters. GDM, I bow to your superior knowlwedge, If a person is on their premises don't they have the right to refuse you service whenever they feel it is appropriate?

I will add that this is as long as they are not being discriminatory by way of the usual stuff e.g. disability, race, sexual orientation etc.

i.e. if you asked for a mars bar they could refuse to serve you because... they can. Isn't this common law?

 

[Henkeman]

I doubt any of this matters. GDM, I bow to your superior knowlwedge, If a person is on their premises don't they have the right to refuse you service whenever they feel it is appropriate?

I will add that this is as long as they are not being discriminatory by way of the usual stuff e.g. disability, race, sexual orientation etc.

i.e. if you asked for a mars bar they could refuse to serve you because... they can. Isn't this common law?

Correct. The law of retail transactions - for ALL retail transactions - is that when you go up to pay for something, you are making an offer to them to purchase. They can accept or decline that offer. Same reason that they are not compelled to sell you something that has been labelled incorrectly. You are making an offer to them, that is all.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I doubt any of this matters. GDM, I bow to your superior knowlwedge, If a person is on their premises don't they have the right to refuse you service whenever they feel it is appropriate?

I will add that this is as long as they are not being discriminatory by way of the usual stuff e.g. disability, race, sexual orientation etc.

i.e. if you asked for a mars bar they could refuse to serve you because... they can. Isn't this common law?

Not sure about the common law position tbf, but yes subject to the provisos you mentioned, service can be refused for whatever reason, without giving that reason. Under the of 1964 Licensing Act it was an absolute, unqualified right up to the Race & Sex Equality Acts of the early 70's.

There are, however, certain conditions that preclude service including serving to a drunk and....errrr.....a minor (see ....errrr....Section 149, 2003 Licensing Act )

Edit:I think Henkenen is probably right about offer/acceptance being the common law position.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

Well done at least from departing from Wikipeadia to acquire legal knowledge.

You have the bare-faced cheek to criticise me when you're even denying the legal age that a person can consume alcohol in a private place merely because I linked to wiki. I already knew the law, it was convenient to link to them

I suggest you go to bed and revisit this in the morning when you hopefully have a clear head (and stop acting like such a prissy dickhead) as you're making yourself look foolish. Just some friendly advice for you ;)

I have never denied the legal drinking age for a child in their home is five. It absolutely is. Please point to where I have said otherwise.

LMAO. OK then

Disagree with this. No matter what you say is written

Anyone giving a 5 year old alcohol would be done for abuse or neglect.

Disagree all you like, the law is the law. And there's a big difference between a sip and letting them get pissed.

Err... again you're wrong and I refer you once again to s149 of the 2003 Licensing Act which makes no such distinction.


Got any more?

You also got on your high horse because I referenced wiki to prove the legal drinking age in a private place. Why bother when you knew I was right? Baffling behaviour, like I say I suspect too much drink has been taken!

What I have taken issue with, which you are struggling to grasp, is your absurd claim that it isn't the responsibility of serving staff to decide whether alcohol will be passed onto a minor

I am not struggling to grasp anything. You appear to be promoting the absurd suggestion that any bar staff or checkout operator etc. should automatically assume that the person they are selling alcohol to will be giving it to a minor to drink in a public place. It is not their job to assume this and to suggest otherwise is patently nonsense. Unless there is clear evidence* presented for the seller to KNOW that the alcohol will be passed on in such a manner then they are not liable and are in fact being a complete jobsworth.

You still haven't cited any case law to disprove that.

*standing next to someone who may or may not look under age is not evidence. I can't believe I even had to type that as it's so obvious but apparently not to you.

 

[bluemick1]

I buy my 17 year old lad a beer at City's home games not worrying about what law I've broken.
What a keffufle

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I assume you've not found that quote then?

 

[Berkovic_blue]

I assume you've not found that quote then?

Give your glasses a clean, it's on this fucking page lol.

Jesus wept