Francis Lee RIP

The partnership between Doyle and Watson was as good as it gets and meant Tommy Booth lost his place….but he was a good enough footballer to step into midfield when Colin Bell got injured.
Tommy was a very versatile footballer. He even played up front occasionally. I once said that to him "You'd do well in this current Pep team Tommy" and his typically modest reply was "Fuck off. I'm nearly 70."
 
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From a distance they both looked very similar but that’s where any kind of comparison ends both in playing style and personalities….one being very aggressive and the other the polar opposite.

I have got both of their books and all of the ones from that era apart from Franny….so might order it now….although sad to read it after he died.

The partnership between Doyle and Watson was as good as it gets and meant Tommy Booth lost his place….but he was a good enough footballer to step into midfield when Colin Bell got injured.

Great that you got involved in Neil Youngs campaign….I live near Urmston and remember him managing a sports shop here (think it was called Attack Sports) and also I think he was also a milkman at some point.
Yes he was, lived in a flat opposite my cousins in Cheadle Hulme,
 
Theres nothing about the first part of your question, the second part is standard. He did say that Coppell, unknown to Franny, was seeing the club chaplin almost from day one and that he must have had issues before taking the job, even City couldnt do that to him in 33 days!

He said Neal could not "organise a piss up in a brewery" and that Frank Clark never really spoke to him although I think Franny has to take some of the blame for that, maybe organise more formal meetings?

Interesting parts are that although I knew about the 60k a year for the merchandise rights given to Eddie Phillips by Swales. Franny states Swales was taking 20% of catering profits on certain areas of the ground, the old chairman at Stoke Peter Coates ran the company and offered it Franny when they first met.

Franny says that the idea for CoMS came from a conversation with Sir John Hall at Newcastle who remarked how lucky we were getting the commonwealth games. This started the ball rolling Franny said.

Good book, would advise anyone to buy it.
Franny Lee was a big favourite of mine growing up!! :0)

Tried to persuade the Ex Wife that the First Child boy or girl should be called Francis!:0)

She was to be persuaded unfortunately :0(

Phil Neal comment no surprise, I think I was at one of his early games in charge at Pompey away, I think we got beat 4nil!!

We were lucky to get nil!!! :0)
 
Theres nothing about the first part of your question, the second part is standard. He did say that Coppell, unknown to Franny, was seeing the club chaplin almost from day one and that he must have had issues before taking the job, even City couldnt do that to him in 33 days!

He said Neal could not "organise a piss up in a brewery" and that Frank Clark never really spoke to him although I think Franny has to take some of the blame for that, maybe organise more formal meetings?

Interesting parts are that although I knew about the 60k a year for the merchandise rights given to Eddie Phillips by Swales. Franny states Swales was taking 20% of catering profits on certain areas of the ground, the old chairman at Stoke Peter Coates ran the company and offered it Franny when they first met.

Franny says that the idea for CoMS came from a conversation with Sir John Hall at Newcastle who remarked how lucky we were getting the commonwealth games. This started the ball rolling Franny said.

Good book, would advise anyone to buy it.
Thanks for your reply it was interesting. There were so many dodgy deals going on back in the day it just seemed to accepted as the norm.

I’ve only read one footballer’s autobiography and that was Andy Morrisons. Fucking hell it was like reading Pulp Fiction.
 
Mike Doyle as well as Neil Young were my favourites as a youngster in the late 60’s and I’ve got to say I was taken aback by Doyle’s book.

I could never understand why he mentioned the incident in the golf club ‘under the table’ and agree he definitely had his ‘demons’

Both had tragic endings and died within a few months of each other.
What happened under the table ?
 
Thanks for your reply it was interesting. There were so many dodgy deals going on back in the day it just seemed to accepted as the norm.

I’ve only read one footballer’s autobiography and that was Andy Morrisons. Fucking hell it was like reading Pulp Fiction.
My all time City hero....great read lol
 
Just reading Frannie's new book, that has just come out, a great read.

highly recommended.

I finished it today. I don't remember Francis Lee as a player and was a critic of his performance as chairman, which clearly failed even though I thought he was unlucky in certain ways.

First of all, I really enjoyed the book. I think it's well written and, credit to the ghostwriter Bill Bradshaw, he definitely gets Franny's 'voice' right. As you read, you definitely get the feeling you're digesting a story that's being told by Francis Lee.

The book hasn't completely changed my mind on some of the criticisms I previously had of his performance in the chair at City. However, I also feel a bit more sympathy and understanding for him on that front.

That should be the case when you read someone's autobiography. However, it doesn't always happen.
 
One thing I should add, as well. Something that shone through very clearly is that, whatever other criticism people might throw his way, Francis Lee definitely had a strong and abiding love for Manchester City FC.

In the main body of the autobiography, Franny mentions a couple of times that he was always easy to deal with. The lie is given to that in the final chapter, where his second wife and three of his kids give memories of him, that he could be difficult to be around - even if not intentionally so. When I was working in a Manchester law firm during his spell in the boardroom, I was also aware that there were certainly people around the club who weren't altogether fond of him.

It's important to stress that none of those people would seriously have questioned whether Lee's affection for the club was genuine. This is important because po-faced, handwringing whingebag David Conn regularly suggested that Lee merely saw the club as a business opportunity. This was because Conn, as a young journalist representing a business magazine, had gone to interview Francis in his days City chairman and the latter had the temerity to assume that, in the circumstances, the conversation should revolved round the business side of the club.

Conn certainly has form for forming football opinions based on lamebrained, half-baked arguments. Remember, after all, how he embraced the charlatans at FC United and their pitiful vanity project only to disappear and maintain a years-long silence after it was shown that his mates in the boardroom there had run their laughable football tribute act into the ground.

What he wrote about Lee wasn't far off libellous, in my view. Time at least to put that nonsense opinion to bed.
 
One thing I should add, as well. Something that shone through very clearly is that, whatever other criticism people might throw his way, Francis Lee definitely had a strong and abiding love for Manchester City FC.

In the main body of the autobiography, Franny mentions a couple of times that he was always easy to deal with. The lie is given to that in the final chapter, where his second wife and three of his kids give memories of him, that he could be difficult to be around - even if not intentionally so. When I was working in a Manchester law firm during his spell in the boardroom, I was also aware that there were certainly people around the club who weren't altogether fond of him.

It's important to stress that none of those people would seriously have questioned whether Lee's affection for the club was genuine. This is important because po-faced, handwringing whingebag David Conn regularly suggested that Lee merely saw the club as a business opportunity. This was because Conn, as a young journalist representing a business magazine, had gone to interview Francis in his days City chairman and the latter had the temerity to assume that, in the circumstances, the conversation should revolved round the business side of the club.

Conn certainly has form for forming football opinions based on lamebrained, half-baked arguments. Remember, after all, how he embraced the charlatans at FC United and their pitiful vanity project only to disappear and maintain a years-long silence after it was shown that his mates in the boardroom there had run their laughable football tribute act into the ground.

What he wrote about Lee wasn't far off libellous, in my view. Time at least to put that nonsense opinion to bed.
Another r example of conn…

 

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