Jimfv1 said:The article on De Boer is fascinating, especially the piece about the "high press". I'd love to see a City team pushing to win the ball back as soon as it's lost. This is what all these high tempo teams do and it rattles better players.
If Mancini is to go in summer then De Boer would do for me, however he does seem to have very strong ties to Ajax so like Klopp, it would be difficult to persuade him to leave a club he loves. Pellegrini may be the only option and I think his age is the only thing leaving doubts in my mind.
The biggest problem for me with Mancini is his treatment of players, if he has pissed Vinny off as much as is reported then this is a serious matter. Does he treat Milner and Zab the same ? Players cannot rule the club, (or you end up like Chelsea) but every one is a different person and the manager should adapt his attitude to get the best out of them.
Bellamy and Tevez were treated differently to Balotelli for instance, and although Balotelli's antics off the pitch were amusing , some of his on pitch stuff was embarrassing.
NipHolmes said:Jimfv1 said:The article on De Boer is fascinating, especially the piece about the "high press". I'd love to see a City team pushing to win the ball back as soon as it's lost. This is what all these high tempo teams do and it rattles better players.
If Mancini is to go in summer then De Boer would do for me, however he does seem to have very strong ties to Ajax so like Klopp, it would be difficult to persuade him to leave a club he loves. Pellegrini may be the only option and I think his age is the only thing leaving doubts in my mind.
The biggest problem for me with Mancini is his treatment of players, if he has pissed Vinny off as much as is reported then this is a serious matter. Does he treat Milner and Zab the same ? Players cannot rule the club, (or you end up like Chelsea) but every one is a different person and the manager should adapt his attitude to get the best out of them.
Bellamy and Tevez were treated differently to Balotelli for instance, and although Balotelli's antics off the pitch were amusing , some of his on pitch stuff was embarrassing.
De Boer really, really wants to do well at Ajax but is apparently furious that they keep selling off players rather than keeping them and building for the future. Last season they sold Van Der Wiele, Vertonghen and Anita and this season they are selling Erikksen apparantely.
Jimfv1 said:NipHolmes said:Jimfv1 said:The article on De Boer is fascinating, especially the piece about the "high press". I'd love to see a City team pushing to win the ball back as soon as it's lost. This is what all these high tempo teams do and it rattles better players.
If Mancini is to go in summer then De Boer would do for me, however he does seem to have very strong ties to Ajax so like Klopp, it would be difficult to persuade him to leave a club he loves. Pellegrini may be the only option and I think his age is the only thing leaving doubts in my mind.
The biggest problem for me with Mancini is his treatment of players, if he has pissed Vinny off as much as is reported then this is a serious matter. Does he treat Milner and Zab the same ? Players cannot rule the club, (or you end up like Chelsea) but every one is a different person and the manager should adapt his attitude to get the best out of them.
Bellamy and Tevez were treated differently to Balotelli for instance, and although Balotelli's antics off the pitch were amusing , some of his on pitch stuff was embarrassing.
De Boer really, really wants to do well at Ajax but is apparently furious that they keep selling off players rather than keeping them and building for the future. Last season they sold Van Der Wiele, Vertonghen and Anita and this season they are selling Erikksen apparantely.
So there's a chance he would come to the Premiership then ?
NipHolmes said:Jimfv1 said:NipHolmes said:De Boer really, really wants to do well at Ajax but is apparently furious that they keep selling off players rather than keeping them and building for the future. Last season they sold Van Der Wiele, Vertonghen and Anita and this season they are selling Erikksen apparantely.
So there's a chance he would come to the Premiership then ?
I know as much as anyone else mate but yes I'd say so. He is linked with job and was flattered at link but denied.
He's only got to ask his number two how great English football is and he knows where the money is because Ajax have always sold big players to our league. Suarez and Vertonghen did well in Holland and have done even better here.
I think we are an offer he couldn't and wouldn't refuse. He's well versed in 4-3-3 Ajax/Barca Cruyff philosophy and has played at both clubs. This guy is another Pep as he's from the same stock. Just the same as Laudrup. The question is will we take the gamble on him? If we don't someone else will.
For what it's worth I'd have FDB at the front of the list, closely followed by Pellegrini and Laudrup.
LoveCity said:De Boer turned down Liverpool last year but does seem to be getting disillusioned with Ajax's transfer policy. They are a selling club and are never going to reach their former heights again the way they let all of their best players go. Nearly every year it's a profit: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/afc-ajax-amsterdam/transfers-alle/verein_610.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/afc-a ... n_610.html</a>
Just look at the players they've sold in recent years! They could have a top 6 Premier League level side if they kept them all (Suarez, Vertonghen, Vermaelen, Stekelenburg, Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, etc.).
NipHolmes said:For what it's worth I'd have FDB at the front of the list, closely followed by Pellegrini and Laudrup.
Jimfv1 said:NipHolmes said:Jimfv1 said:So there's a chance he would come to the Premiership then ?
I know as much as anyone else mate but yes I'd say so. He is linked with job and was flattered at link but denied.
He's only got to ask his number two how great English football is and he knows where the money is because Ajax have always sold big players to our league. Suarez and Vertonghen did well in Holland and have done even better here.
I think we are an offer he couldn't and wouldn't refuse. He's well versed in 4-3-3 Ajax/Barca Cruyff philosophy and has played at both clubs. This guy is another Pep as he's from the same stock. Just the same as Laudrup. The question is will we take the gamble on him? If we don't someone else will.
For what it's worth I'd have FDB at the front of the list, closely followed by Pellegrini and Laudrup.
I totally agree, if the owners decide that Mancini hasn't done as well as he could then one of these three would be a good appointment.
If we won the FA Cup and close the gap on Utd at the top of the league then it would be harsh on Mancini but it's totally up to our owners and with the youth investment and then need to integrate the youth setup with the first team and have a conveyor of talent to sustain the clubs long term future then Mancini might not be the right long term manager for us, just like Mourinho wouldn't be for most teams. However whoever took Varane to Madrid found one hell of a player ! He makes Nastasic look average, but both players are still young so we'll see who is best in years to come.
VOOMER said:Jimfv1 said:NipHolmes said:I know as much as anyone else mate but yes I'd say so. He is linked with job and was flattered at link but denied.
He's only got to ask his number two how great English football is and he knows where the money is because Ajax have always sold big players to our league. Suarez and Vertonghen did well in Holland and have done even better here.
I think we are an offer he couldn't and wouldn't refuse. He's well versed in 4-3-3 Ajax/Barca Cruyff philosophy and has played at both clubs. This guy is another Pep as he's from the same stock. Just the same as Laudrup. The question is will we take the gamble on him? If we don't someone else will.
For what it's worth I'd have FDB at the front of the list, closely followed by Pellegrini and Laudrup.
I totally agree, if the owners decide that Mancini hasn't done as well as he could then one of these three would be a good appointment.
If we won the FA Cup and close the gap on Utd at the top of the league then it would be harsh on Mancini but it's totally up to our owners and with the youth investment and then need to integrate the youth setup with the first team and have a conveyor of talent to sustain the clubs long term future then Mancini might not be the right long term manager for us, just like Mourinho wouldn't be for most teams. However whoever took Varane to Madrid found one hell of a player ! He makes Nastasic look average, but both players are still young so we'll see who is best in years to come.
So lets get this right. De Boer has been schooled all his life in a 4-3-3 formation. He goes to a club that plays that formation from under 7's all the way through to the first team and he's doing well in a two horse league. Well he should be doing well! Bobby came in to a car wreck of a setup. Certainly money was available, but everything bar 4-5 of the players, was steeped in mediocrity and ever changing tactics and coaching. Before we continue on this slagging of of Mancini, when the latest name is banded around, people should have a reality check. Ajax has been built on continuity in terms of playing style and for a long time have been "the" team to play for in Holland. We haven't had either element until the last 3 years, in terms of our youth setup, it is now harder for players to break into the first team, because its no longer a first team with Darius Vassell and Micheal Ball in it!