Frank De Boer (new boss?)

[NipHolmes]

I know as much as anyone else mate but yes I'd say so. He is linked with job and was flattered at link but denied.

He's only got to ask his number two how great English football is and he knows where the money is because Ajax have always sold big players to our league. Suarez and Vertonghen did well in Holland and have done even better here.

I think we are an offer he couldn't and wouldn't refuse. He's well versed in 4-3-3 Ajax/Barca Cruyff philosophy and has played at both clubs. This guy is another Pep as he's from the same stock. Just the same as Laudrup. The question is will we take the gamble on him? If we don't someone else will.

For what it's worth I'd have FDB at the front of the list, closely followed by Pellegrini and Laudrup.

I totally agree, if the owners decide that Mancini hasn't done as well as he could then one of these three would be a good appointment.
If we won the FA Cup and close the gap on Utd at the top of the league then it would be harsh on Mancini but it's totally up to our owners and with the youth investment and then need to integrate the youth setup with the first team and have a conveyor of talent to sustain the clubs long term future then Mancini might not be the right long term manager for us, just like Mourinho wouldn't be for most teams. However whoever took Varane to Madrid found one hell of a player ! He makes Nastasic look average, but both players are still young so we'll see who is best in years to come.

So lets get this right. De Boer has been schooled all his life in a 4-3-3 formation. He goes to a club that plays that formation from under 7's all the way through to the first team and he's doing well in a two horse league. Well he should be doing well! Bobby came in to a car wreck of a setup. Certainly money was available, but everything bar 4-5 of the players, was steeped in mediocrity and ever changing tactics and coaching. Before we continue on this slagging of of Mancini, when the latest name is banded around, people should have a reality check. Ajax has been built on continuity in terms of playing style and for a long time have been "the" team to play for in Holland. We haven't had either element until the last 3 years, in terms of our youth setup, it is now harder for players to break into the first team, because its no longer a first team with Darius Vassell and Micheal Ball in it!

Every top manager was a newbie once.

The thing is FDB is Ajax and Barca experienced already as a player. Understands the system and importance of youth integration. He's seen both Ajax and Barca use the system and doesn't need briefing or training in said department.

You're right to be critical and his appointment (potential) is a punt but so was Pep when he was hired.

De Boer would come in and work with 4-3-3 and run with it. Academy will be 4-3-3 and so will reserves etc. De Boer would be brought in to oversee it all and make sure everything is fluid. He's also very well respected by Cruyff who recommended him. You can bet your bottom dollar that Txiki is all over him at the moment in regards to studying his appointment with pros and cons.

I think I've been wrong in expecting a big name coach. The more I read and study the Spaniards and Barca and Ajax the more I expect a lesser known name in regards if stature and c.v. But you can guarantee the new appointment after Mancini will be brought in because of what I've said and what the future holds.

 

[VOOMER]

I totally agree, if the owners decide that Mancini hasn't done as well as he could then one of these three would be a good appointment.
If we won the FA Cup and close the gap on Utd at the top of the league then it would be harsh on Mancini but it's totally up to our owners and with the youth investment and then need to integrate the youth setup with the first team and have a conveyor of talent to sustain the clubs long term future then Mancini might not be the right long term manager for us, just like Mourinho wouldn't be for most teams. However whoever took Varane to Madrid found one hell of a player ! He makes Nastasic look average, but both players are still young so we'll see who is best in years to come.

So lets get this right. De Boer has been schooled all his life in a 4-3-3 formation. He goes to a club that plays that formation from under 7's all the way through to the first team and he's doing well in a two horse league. Well he should be doing well! Bobby came in to a car wreck of a setup. Certainly money was available, but everything bar 4-5 of the players, was steeped in mediocrity and ever changing tactics and coaching. Before we continue on this slagging of of Mancini, when the latest name is banded around, people should have a reality check. Ajax has been built on continuity in terms of playing style and for a long time have been "the" team to play for in Holland. We haven't had either element until the last 3 years, in terms of our youth setup, it is now harder for players to break into the first team, because its no longer a first team with Darius Vassell and Micheal Ball in it!

Every top manager was a newbie once.

The thing is FDB is Ajax and Barca experienced already as a player. Understands the system and importance of youth integration. He's seen both Ajax and Barca use the system and doesn't need briefing or training in said department.

You're right to be critical and his appointment (potential) is a punt but so was Pep when he was hired.

De Boer would come in and work with 4-3-3 and run with it. Academy will be 4-3-3 and so will reserves etc. De Boer would be brought in to oversee it all and make sure everything is fluid. He's also very well respected by Cruyff who recommended him. You can bet your bottom dollar that Txiki is all over him at the moment in regards to studying his appointment with pros and cons.

I think I've been wrong in expecting a big name coach. The more I read and study the Spaniards and Barca and Ajax the more I expect a lesser known name in regards if stature and c.v. But you can guarantee the new appointment after Mancini will be brought in because of what I've said and what the future holds.

Its a great position to be in, I feel that we aren't that far away from a great style of football with Bobby. If you look at those above you could say that he is now dealing with people who are on his wave length.

 

[chesterbells]

Of all the names I've heard so far, he'd be my second choice behind Mourinho (have we even tried for Jose I wonder?)

 

[Dethred]

What has the man won? Couple of titles in South America and in europe his only trophy was the intertoto cup. He'd be a massive gamble.

He's not exactly had many great opportunities to gather a trophy haul during his 9 years in Europe. Given the Inter job at the same time as Mancini he'd have a lot of league titles on his resume too. Pellegrini has been a success in every job so far except in the warped view of Real Madrid where a 75% win rate wasn't enough as they finished on 96pts, Real Madrid's highest points total in history... except Barca finished on 99pts, so Pellegrini was sacked. He got Villarreal to the semi final of the Champions League (something Mancini has failed to do in 7 attempts with powerful, wealthy clubs) and has Malaga in the last 8 (Mancini has hasn't done this since 2005/2006... when his Inter was knocked out by Pellegrini's Villarreal) and somehow with a shout of getting into the last 4 heading to Dortmund.

As some have mentioned, Txiki would look beyond trophy haul and at other things such as suitability to the ideology the club is trying to build. I refer again to Rijkaard's 15% win rate at Sparta Rotterdam before Barcelona took him on, where he (with the support of the backroom staff) won them La Liga twice, the Champions League, the Copa del Rey twice, and was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He had been an abject failure in management prior to that, which Pellegrini and De Boer haven't even been.

Matt.D, you sir, have been "served".

 

[Dethred]

So lets get this right. De Boer has been schooled all his life in a 4-3-3 formation. He goes to a club that plays that formation from under 7's all the way through to the first team and he's doing well in a two horse league. Well he should be doing well! Bobby came in to a car wreck of a setup. Certainly money was available, but everything bar 4-5 of the players, was steeped in mediocrity and ever changing tactics and coaching. Before we continue on this slagging of of Mancini, when the latest name is banded around, people should have a reality check. Ajax has been built on continuity in terms of playing style and for a long time have been "the" team to play for in Holland. We haven't had either element until the last 3 years, in terms of our youth setup, it is now harder for players to break into the first team, because its no longer a first team with Darius Vassell and Micheal Ball in it!

You didn't read any of that story from a few pages ago, did you? De Boer's been building a team that recently had Martin fuckin' Jol's hands all over it.

Some of you children that keep saying "Oh Guardiola walked into the perfect situation, they could manage themselves", or this "De Boer hasn't had to do much" nonsense is truly foolish.

Mancini came in and spend the better part of a quarter billion quid, and has fallen flat on his face in the major competition that ADUG and Mansour relish the prospect of being competitive in.
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Let play a game called "City or Ajax":

In this year's Champions league, which team conceded 3 goals from corners (their opposition not having a single taller player in the box) in two consecutive matches due to their manager's insane insistence upon zonally marking defenders? City or Ajax?

In this year's Champion's League, which team of PL rejects and academy graduates placed above a rival team full of international superstars? City or Ajax?

Which team has a manager incompetent enough to switch to a woefully-ineffective, overly-defensive formation, cause obvious chaos in their defense, concede a goal, and change back to the previous formation used 10 minutes prior? Not only that, but do it in two consecutive matches (and later in the league against Everton, an absolute sign of lunacy)? City or Ajax?

 

[Matt.D]

What has the man won? Couple of titles in South America and in europe his only trophy was the intertoto cup. He'd be a massive gamble.

He's not exactly had many great opportunities to gather a trophy haul during his 9 years in Europe. Given the Inter job at the same time as Mancini he'd have a lot of league titles on his resume too. Pellegrini has been a success in every job so far except in the warped view of Real Madrid where a 75% win rate wasn't enough as they finished on 96pts, Real Madrid's highest points total in history... except Barca finished on 99pts, so Pellegrini was sacked. He got Villarreal to the semi final of the Champions League (something Mancini has failed to do in 7 attempts with powerful, wealthy clubs) and has Malaga in the last 8 (Mancini has hasn't done this since 2005/2006... when his Inter was knocked out by Pellegrini's Villarreal) and somehow with a shout of getting into the last 4 heading to Dortmund.

As some have mentioned, Txiki would look beyond trophy haul and at other things such as suitability to the ideology the club is trying to build. I refer again to Rijkaard's 15% win rate at Sparta Rotterdam before Barcelona took him on, where he (with the support of the backroom staff) won them La Liga twice, the Champions League, the Copa del Rey twice, and was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He had been an abject failure in management prior to that, which Pellegrini and De Boer haven't even been.

Matt.D, you sir, have been "served".

You think so? I'm still waiting for him to tell me what the man has won in Europe.

If Mourinho goes to Chelsea, with bacon face a the rags, the title will be harder than it has ever been to win.

My preference would be Mourinho who there is absolutely no doubt would guarantee us success. We don't appear interested in him.

So lets gamble on Pellegrini who is almost 60 and has won fuck all in Europe to go up for the title against 2 of the greatest managers to have ever lived?

 

[moomba]

Mancini came in and spend the better part of a quarter billion quid,

Nett spend of around £140m in three and a half years (seven transfer windows) after taking over a side in sixth place in the league.

We know you don't like him but surely you can try to be a bit reasonable in your criticisms.

 

[Dethred]

Mancini came in and spend the better part of a quarter billion quid,

Nett spend of around £140m in three and a half years (seven transfer windows) after taking over a side in sixth place in the league.

We know you don't like him but surely you can try to be a bit reasonable in your criticisms.

Nice one. Take my statement, add "net" onto it (thus changing the entire fucking statement) and call me wrong. Very clever, but you're fooling no one.

One cannot go far enough in criticizing the man at this point. Having rows with the fucking captain, and just about every other player? Literally single-handedly shot our team in the foot in Europe (its like he's gone backwards), and has made some dreadful decisions this year. Now he wants to sell and replace as many players as possible... because his tactics are shit.

At this point, I think we can all agree that our squad is strong enough to stay top 3 or 4, therefore the bigger risk to our future is whether or not we have Mancini running the show in the CL. You don't think that will be on every player or prospective new signing's mind as the new campaign begins?

Mark my words, Mancini will either have to completely change his tactics and man-management, or he will never win a European trophy. His litany of mistakes last fall was almost comical if not for it being so tragic.

Unfortunately for Mancini, the entire investment has been centered around a strategy of success in Europe. Mancini has brought abject failure.

 

[Dethred]

You think so? I'm still waiting for him to tell me what the man has won in Europe.

If Mourinho goes to Chelsea, with bacon face a the rags, the title will be harder than it has ever been to win.

My preference would be Mourinho who there is absolutely no doubt would guarantee us success. We don't appear interested in him.

So lets gamble on Pellegrini who is almost 60 and has won fuck all in Europe to go up for the title against 2 of the greatest managers to have ever lived?

You know, there is this fucking annoying and disturbing trend I'm seeing, and it centers around not putting ANYTHING into proper fucking perspective.

What has Pellegrini (or De Boer for that matter) won in Europe? We all know the answer is nothing. Now let's be intelligent and put that information ***into fucking perspective***:

Pellegrini: Made it further in the CL than Mancini, despite fewer attempts (if I remember correctly), has had only one real season with a financially superior club, and broke the points record at the time for that club. He has, without a doubt, gotten more out his various teams per money spent. That said, I doubt he would be even near the top of a list of candidates.

De Boer: Has won fuck all, but he humiliated and shat all over Mancini over 180 minutes. He has the same football philosophy as Guardiola, and would fit in better with the restructuring of the club towards youth development. He has won the Eredivisie twice, beat the most expensively assembled squad in European competition in the group stage with table scraps from Ajax's "develop and sell" transfer policy. I'd personally take him over Mourinho at this point just because he could be more of a long term manager, as Mourinho will get cold feet after a few seasons.

Regardless of how hard you people try to ignore ****context****, you use it every day when shopping or filling your tank with petrol. You don't go and buy something without comparing its cost vs. what it actually fucking does, you put it into a value proposition. I'd suggest that Mancini, at this point, is a poor value proposition. Bringing in Mourinho would be (probably) a slightly higher expense for significantly better results. Bringing in De Boer would probably either yield us similar results with less (net or gross) spending, and get at least similar or better results.

Being that our new Spaniards are fully invested in the Barca model, De Boer would be the more likely candidate at this point, even if Mourinho were open to joining up. Can't say either one would be a terrible change at this point.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

My number 1 choice would be Klopp (by some distance) but FDB would also be a good pick.
I like Mancini and I'm grateful for what he did, but there are many glaring reasons why he should be replaced.