Frank Field Quits Labour

[worsleyweb]

Every thread turns into a Corbyn bashing thread.

Forum was decent to start with and had potential but its quickly turning to shit and being allowed to.

Because he is a divisive figure and hated by many. You sound so much like a millennial child it is untrue.

 

[robbieh]

Because he is a divisive figure and hated by many. You sound so much like a millennial child it is untrue.

He is hated by many. These people by and large are either Tories or what used to be called Blairites.

The two groups dislike him for different reasons. Tories obviously dislike him as he is complete anathema to them. He's a socialist and would do away with things like car parking charges at hospitals, which were a nice little earner for the shareholder community.
New Labour people who are not as shitty as the Tories generally still resent him taking away their power. Understandable.

There is a third group of people in the country who love him, something that seems to be overlooked. After all he didn't become leader by wiggling his nose and hoping it to be so.

These people admire him as he is different Whereas the Tory philosophy is to make the rich as happy as possible without causing social unrest, Corbyn reckons reasonably that the rich are pretty much buttressed against the problems most of us face. He is not interested in people whose major problem is whether to send their child to Eton or Harrow.

The question then arises how best to help the least advantaged in society. The Tories obviously not as in my opinion they have never cared about those near or at the bottom.

Many of the arguments on here revolve around whether Corbynism or Blairism is the best option. The latter think JC would hole the economy and therefore not be able to do what he wants to. The former think that New Labour's devotion to an outdated economic model offsets the progressive social policies they introduce.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Looks like Frank jumped the gun a bit and failed to notice a difference between rules that apply to elected MP's and those that apply to appointed Lords - I am guessing thats where he has dropped a bollock.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-kick-him-out-of-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[blueonblue]

But it wasn't what I wanted, was it? It was a discussion on fields record and peopele are/ were free to agree with me or say why his quiting and if he does loose a byelection if called is a bad thing.

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Ok then lets play nice ;0), take the claim that one motive was Fields voting his conscience last month, which is something Jessa has a problem with, but as a backbench MP he was known for his activism and rebelliousness, frequently voting against the Labour whip while claiming his ever shifting principles overrode the party line, but then Jessa has always had a problem with educated people like Frank, maybe its his two A levels (Both E grade) that give the little shit an inferiority complex compared to the University education of Fields, and would explain why he surrounds himself with such mental giants as Abbott.

Claims Fields is a "Blairite" are not in line with his resigning as a minister after a fall out with phoney tony, and a record of criticising new labours policies while a back bench MP during their years in power backs that up, his constituents have return him at every election so his local party committee being hijacked by the loony left means little.

I hope he does stand as an independent, either getting beaten by a Tory or returned would both be a slap for the rabid left.

 

[bluethrunthru]

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Ok then lets play nice ;0), take the claim that one motive was Fields voting his conscience last month, which is something Jessa has a problem with, but as a backbench MP he was known for his activism and rebelliousness, frequently voting against the Labour whip while claiming his ever shifting principles overrode the party line, but then Jessa has always had a problem with educated people like Frank, maybe its his two A levels (Both E grade) that give the little shit an inferiority complex compared to the University education of Fields, and would explain why he surrounds himself with such mental giants as Abbott.

Claims Fields is a "Blairite" are not in line with his resigning as a minister after a fall out with phoney tony, and a record of criticising new labours policies while a back bench MP during their years in power backs that up, his constituents have return him at every election so his local party committee being hijacked by the loony left means little.

I hope he does stand as an independent, either getting beaten by a Tory or returned would both be a slap for the rabid left.

The reason why the party has the hump with Field ( and Hoey, Mann and Stringer ) is that they sided with the Govt on the Brexit vote and Labour hoped a defeat would lead to a no confidence vote in Mayday and trigger a GE. So what he did was not side with the Labour Whip that he has now made such a production over resigning from.

 

[urban genie]

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Ok then lets play nice ;0), take the claim that one motive was Fields voting his conscience last month, which is something Jessa has a problem with, but as a backbench MP he was known for his activism and rebelliousness, frequently voting against the Labour whip while claiming his ever shifting principles overrode the party line, but then Jessa has always had a problem with educated people like Frank, maybe its his two A levels (Both E grade) that give the little shit an inferiority complex compared to the University education of Fields, and would explain why he surrounds himself with such mental giants as Abbott.

Claims Fields is a "Blairite" are not in line with his resigning as a minister after a fall out with phoney tony, and a record of criticising new labours policies while a back bench MP during their years in power backs that up, his constituents have return him at every election so his local party committee being hijacked by the loony left means little.

I hope he does stand as an independent, either getting beaten by a Tory or returned would both be a slap for the rabid left.

I never called him a bliarite as he isn't one

and I never got any A-Levels as I dropped out in my first year in college to work instead so I expect I am considered beneath you by the remarks about educational qualification.
With that in mid I expec tyou won't reply as us oiks are shirley not worth the typing

 

[blueonblue]

I never called him a bliarite as he isn't one

and I never got any A-Levels as I dropped out in my first year in college to work instead so I expect I am considered beneath you by the remarks about educational qualification.
With that in mid I expec tyou won't reply as us oiks are shirley not worth the typing

I never said the claim he was a blairite came from you, but it was bandied about as a reason the left turned on him.

As I am not Corbyn who clearly has a problem with peoples education I dont give a flying bud, I will talk to anyone short of a f*cking ragarse.

 

[blueonblue]

The reason why the party has the hump with Field ( and Hoey, Mann and Stringer ) is that they sided with the Govt on the Brexit vote and Labour hoped a defeat would lead to a no confidence vote in Mayday and trigger a GE. So what he did was not side with the Labour Whip

Exactly the same thing Corbyn did but on a regular basis as a back bencher, which is what I said.

 

[smudgedj]

The reason why the party has the hump with Field ( and Hoey, Mann and Stringer ) is that they sided with the Govt on the Brexit vote and Labour hoped a defeat would lead to a no confidence vote in Mayday and trigger a GE. So what he did was not side with the Labour Whip that he has now made such a production over resigning from.

They didn’t side with the government they sided with their voters. The majority of their constituents voted Leave. Their doing their job, by representing them in parliament. Perhaps other politicians should take a leaf out of their book.

 

[blueinsa]

Exactly the same thing Corbyn did but on a regular basis as a back bencher, which is what I said.

Exactly.

 

[blueinsa]

They didn’t side with the government they sided with their voters. The majority of their constituents voted Leave. Their doing their job, by representing them in parliament. Perhaps other politicians should take a leaf out of their book.

Exactly.

 

[joe123]

Exactly.

Not really. John Mann, yep, Field by a percentage, but Stringer is MP for Broughton and Hoey is Vauxhall, so no, them two absolutely weren't representing the views of their constituents.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They didn’t side with the government they sided with their voters. The majority of their constituents voted Leave. Their doing their job, by representing them in parliament. Perhaps other politicians should take a leaf out of their book.

Nice idea but thats not how party politics works....... if the majority of the MP's for a Parliamentary party don't follow the whip there is no Parliamentary party just a rabble voting on conscience which is admirable but does lead to Italian style politics - ie a new Govt every few months. Is that what you would advocate?

 

[blueinsa]

Nice idea but thats not how party politics works....... if the majority of the MP's for a Parliamentary party don't follow the whip there is no Parliamentary party just a rabble voting on conscience which is admirable but does lead to Italian style politics - ie a new Govt every few months. Is that what you would advocate?

Corbyn consistently refused to follow the whip, is now leader and here you are ignoring that fact and bemoaning MP’s for doing what he did?

Surely Jeremy has no issue with these MP’s for following their conscience?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Corbyn consistently refused to follow the whip, is now leader and here you are ignoring that fact and bemoaning MP’s for doing what he did?

Surely Jeremy has no issue with these MP’s for following their conscience?

However I think you will find that when you become team captain your attitude has to change - perhaps Jeremy's has - and you overlook some vital facts - Jeremy Corbyn hasn't withdrawn the whip - Frank Field resigned the whip. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't instigated a no confidence vote in him his own CLP did that and I haven't seen anything from Jeremy Corbyn singling out Frank Field for criticism over his voting that way so maybe he has no issue with it - of course its much better from your angle to blame it all personally on Jeremy Corbyn directly to continue the smear campaign.

 

[urban genie]

Corbyn consistently refused to follow the whip, is now leader and here you are ignoring that fact and bemoaning MP’s for doing what he did?

Surely Jeremy has no issue with these MP’s for following their conscience?

Corbyns got fuckall to do with it, it was at local level and field has quit before he was kicked out by his CLP

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn consistently refused to follow the whip, is now leader and here you are ignoring that fact and bemoaning MP’s for doing what he did?

Surely Jeremy has no issue with these MP’s for following their conscience?

Corbyn defying the whip, or any MP for that matter and there have been many, don't automatically get booted out of the Labour Party, sometimes they are suspended, sometimes, depending on the nature of the offence, nothing is done at all.

Defying the whip as Corbyn did on occasion and resigning the whip, which is what Field has done, are two entirely different things , you can't stay in the Labour Party if you do that.

I read your posts, you're not a knuckle dragger, you know this.

You're allowing your animosity towards Corbyn to cloud your thinking mate.

 

[Damocles]

Defying the whip as Corbyn did on occasion and resigning the whip, which is what Field has done, are two entirely different things , you can't stay in the Labour Party if you do that.

Can you explain specifically why this is?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Can you explain specifically why this is?

Because defying the whip is breaking the rules, that ends in punishment. Resigning the whip is a rejection of the rules, that ends in expulsion.

 

[inbetween]

Corbyn defying the whip, or any MP for that matter and there have been many, don't automatically get booted out of the Labour Party, sometimes they are suspended, sometimes, depending on the nature of the offence, nothing is done at all.

Defying the whip as Corbyn did on occasion and resigning the whip, which is what Field has done, are two entirely different things , you can't stay in the Labour Party if you do that.

I read your posts, you're not a knuckle dragger, you know this.

You're allowing your animosity towards Corbyn to cloud your thinking mate.

Corbyn didn't defy the whip on occasion, he did it all the time and on many key issues. He has even defied the views of his own party as leader on many issues, look at Trident for example. Christ knows what they think on Brexit.

The reason he never got booted out was because Labour at the time did not have a movement called Momentum which has the task of instigating the local removal of elected MP's to replace them with bots aligned to the Corbyn cause.

Momentum has even taken over the NEC of Labour which means a third party now effectively controls everything in the opposition in this country!

It will all end in tears, the general population will have their say and that is all that matters. The 0.1% who are actually involved in Labour and Momentum are completely irrelevant.

Personally I understand why he resigned and whether he was pushed or not is irrelevant, this is someone who served Labour for many years and gave Labour a safe seat for many years but was forced out basically for having a different view.

The fact Labour briefed against him the day after all that to make him look stupid just goes to show what a shocking party it has become and it will never have my vote.