Freedom of speech - edited

[dronefromsector7g]

Never had that kind of conversation in a pub tbh.

Just the aggression and abuse I mean a - you can be chatting all sorts of shit in a pub but there are boundaries

Yeah well people are more likely to run their mouth at somebody when that person isn't standing in front of them.
I try not to get personal with anyone on here, it can be difficult sometimes though :)

You what? You lot can't go more than a few hours without calling me a ****.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

S'funny when we meet hey macca just music dancing and booze no politics at all lol :)

 

[TangerineSteve17]

I think it boils down to the individual somehow getting gratification by simply belittling and deriding others. As you say, if it was a pub scenario, some of the things people say on here would get them jumped.

Jim you appear sound as a pound, as do a lot of posters to me. Only a few meanies on here, which is incredible really when you think of the number of members.

 

[aguero93:20]

Just the aggression and abuse I mean a - you can be chatting all sorts of shit in a pub but there are boundaries

Yeah well people are more likely to run their mouth at somebody when that person isn't standing in front of them.
I try not to get personal with anyone on here, it can be difficult sometimes though :)

You what? You lot can't go more than a few hours without calling me a c**t.

I said I try, you ****! :)

 

[mackenzie]

I think Internet forums breed a kind of siege mentality where to win the argument becomes all consuming. As Ronnie said, it wouldn't happen in a pub because people usually know the boundaries.

Hi macca - you see I really struggle with why? I think m exactly the same in real life as I am on here but some people would just get taken out if they spoke like they do on here in a pub!

I come across as a bit of a twunt on here, but I'm not TOO bad really!

You answer all the questions on pub quiz games though.
Apart from that you're ok ;-)

 

[The Flash]

Re: Freedom of speech

Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

You've certainly changed your tune!

One week ago....

Ducado wrote:



'Because they were Jews I would think, Jewish life does not seem to matter, these threads are pretty pointless and tend to verge on the anti-Semitic as they progress, it's an intractable problem and one that needs sorting out with a two a state solution'


To which you responded (rather well I thought)

Damocles wrote on Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:19 pm:


'Maybe it's because you're a mod that nobody called you out on this but this is ridiculous and massively insulting to the users of this forum.

A small shade of anti-semitism has risen recently on the forum. It's gone from about 0.1% to 0.2%. Your constantly and unwavering excuses for Israel and every single thing that Israel does, including calling everybody who disagrees an anti-Semite have a lot to do with it. People don't disagree with you because they're "anti-Semites" for whom "Jewish life doesn't seem to matter", they do it because you're a massive hypocrite who defends illegal acts because you happen to share the state religion of a country. If the roles were reversed and Palestine was the country/Israel were the nationalists, I have absolutely no doubt that your judgement and morality would magically morph just as your morality seems to magically morph when we talk about Israelis and Palestinians.'



I know a week is a long time in politics, football, and bluemoon, but that's quite an about face.

For what it's worth, I think you were spot on with your post of a week ago and I genuinely don't think the forum has become any more anti-semitic in the last week.

Did Ducardo give you a Chinese burn in the mod room?

Funny. I noticed this earlier in the week.

So what is the reason behind Damocles' massive turn of coat? What has happened in a few days, on a football forum, that would cause such a complete volte face?

I mean, it's only a forum, I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?

I wonder if my query will be ignored like old Crabbie Paste's?

 

[malg]

the problem is the mods are blues, normal blues, they know things can get heated. i dont usually mither with a warning, i'd usually pm. the pm's that come the other way usually imply the poster holding thier hands up. cos i'm a rum fucker i also rarely ban but this racist shit has got out of hand.
expect a tougher approach from now on. from me anyway.

its no good being nice.

shame.

TBH, it's getting so bad that I don't bother posting on most threads, you can't have a decent debate about stuff on here now without either getting shouted down or told you are stupid/naïve/uneducated etc. if shit like this happened in a pub (where most discussions used to take place) there's a fair few on here who would get battered.

That's probably why it used to be an unwritten rule in a pub that you didn't discuss religion or politics

see this is just wrong. we want to attract posters not scare them away.

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just throw insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

 

[mackenzie]

S'funny when we meet hey macca just music dancing and booze no politics at all lol :)

And cigs. ;-)

 

[dronefromsector7g]

TBH, it's getting so bad that I don't bother posting on most threads, you can't have a decent debate about stuff on here now without either getting shouted down or told you are stupid/naïve/uneducated etc. if shit like this happened in a pub (where most discussions used to take place) there's a fair few on here who would get battered.

That's probably why it used to be an unwritten rule in a pub that you didn't discuss religion or politics

see this is just wrong. we want to attract posters not scare them away.

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just through insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

Quit horsing around and give us a name.

 

[jimharri]

see this is just wrong. we want to attract posters not scare them away.

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just through insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

Quit horsing around and give us a name.

With your grace and guile, you should have been a ballet dancer!

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just through insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

Quit horsing around and give us a name.

With your grace and guile, you should have been a ballet dancer!

Shut up you bell end

 

[Barcon]

Where's that French **** lately?

 

[aguero93:20]

Where's that French c**t lately?

Which French ****?

 

[stony]

Where's that French c**t lately?

[bigimg]http://www.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/blackberry-jail.jpg[/bigimg]

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Where's that French c**t lately?

Which French ****?

Lately, you thick ****

 

[aguero93:20]

Where's that French c**t lately?

Which French c**t?

Lately, you thick c**t

D'oh!!








****.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Step up you guys it's descending into the juvenile stuff we don't want on here :/

 

[Bill]

TBH, it's getting so bad that I don't bother posting on most threads, you can't have a decent debate about stuff on here now without either getting shouted down or told you are stupid/naïve/uneducated etc. if shit like this happened in a pub (where most discussions used to take place) there's a fair few on here who would get battered.

That's probably why it used to be an unwritten rule in a pub that you didn't discuss religion or politics

see this is just wrong. we want to attract posters not scare them away.

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just throw insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

 

[Barcon]

Where's that French c**t lately?

[bigimg]http://www.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/blackberry-jail.jpg[/bigimg]

 

[aguero93:20]

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

Are you including banter-style insults or just real abuse?