Frenkie de Jong

Colin Bells Boots said:
Despite the many opinions expressed by BM posters, you are absolutely correct and the professionals are the best ones to make such decisions.
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Yeah, the youngster needs ten times harder to impress Pep to be considered part of his world class team. Some like Foden is generational talent that have an easier path to accomplish his goals, but that doesn't mean he slacking off, ofc he still works hard to earn respect and get his spot in first team on daily basis. Others in academy that have lesser potential needs to understand, this is how professional football works. There's no easy way going to first team from academy.

Every team in the world does the exact same thing and City is no different on that. Don't expect hands out, keep working hard and eventually the manager will see some use on you and give a chance.
 
HelloCity said:
Is it?

We can’t put our future transfer plans on hold on the chance that a couple of youth players might get minutes.

We didn’t stop signing players to bring Foden through did we? He made it because he was good enough.

Always reminds me when we were linked with Messi a couple of years ago and this guy said ‘does this mean less minutes for Braaf?’. Just bizarre thinking.
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Chelsea spent 10 years saying "if kids are good enough, they'll make it through" leading to precisely 0 making it, and look at what happened when they finally were forced to abandon that plan and give the kids a chance because of the transfer ban.

Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Christensen, Chalobah, Reece James all fixtures in the CL winning first team and worth probably £350m all in. RLC coming in now, and even Tammy Abraham got them £35m because he started half a season.

We have kids who are every bit as good as Chlesea's, but they need a chance. It doesn't just happen on its own.

The squad has to be planned for it. That doesn't mean not signing FDJ if he's really going to improve the side, but it might mean selling like Gundo earlier than expected.
 
Keeper! said:
We need to replace Fern, Rodri is playing far too much in term of fatigue later in the season, FDJ would be a wonderful signing for us.
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I don’t see how it would work having basically two first choice dm players. Surely he’d want to be starting every week
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I don’t see how it would work having basically two first choice dm players. Surely he’d want to be starting every week
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FDJ's best position is #8. Koeman moved him there last year and he completely controlled games, split the defence with passes no one else could play and also got a bunch of goals making late runs into the box.

If we were to buy him I don't see how he'd fit unless he would be replacing Gundo. He's an 8 who can play 6 if you set the team up specifically for it, or CB in a pinch.

It would be a good move if you wanted to bring kids through. People were talking about a kid being 4th CB, well you could do that if we had another senior player who could slot in if needed, so you've got 3.5 seniors plus a kid. Same with Lavia at 6. Going from Rodri+Fern to Rodri+Lavia is a bit risky, but if you had FDJ as well, he'd be your extra cover.
 
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domalino said:
Chelsea spent 10 years saying "if kids are good enough, they'll make it through" leading to precisely 0 making it, and look at what happened when they finally were forced to abandon that plan and give the kids a chance because of the transfer ban.

Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Christensen, Chalobah, Reece James all fixtures in the CL winning first team and worth probably £350m all in. RLC coming in now, and even Tammy Abraham got them £35m because he started half a season.

We have kids who are every bit as good as Chlesea's, but they need a chance. It doesn't just happen on its own.

The squad has to be planned for it. That doesn't mean not signing FDJ if he's really going to improve the side, but it might mean selling like Gundo earlier than expected.
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Don't treat player development like somekind milestone that need to be accomplished, if the professionals that handles them think they aren't ready yet then they aren't. Good for Chelsea for doing that, but in City they seems handles their youth differently. We prefer to keep the player with highest potential to make it into first squad and develop them in house with world class coaching to integrating them slowly into first team, while those that do not will be given a second chance in loan to prove themselves.

Training and being mentored by world class coach and player in first team is more invaluable than playing for minutes in inferior team with their lower standard coach and playstyles.

In short Chelsea and City handles their youth differently, no one is more right than the others. Both are valid option to handles the youth.
 

Foden/Jesus - NEW#9/Torres - Sterling/Mahrez
Gundo/Grealish - KDB/Bernardo
Rodri/FDJ

Plenty of room for the lad, 50-60 game a season, 3 of those 30 or over next year before sales. Overkill? maybe, worth the pissboiling? Totally.



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Kamaro011 said:
In short Chelsea and City handles their youth differently, no one is more right than the others. Both are valid option to handles the youth.
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This argument looks pretty silly when we've produced 1 first team regular in 10 years and Chelsea are lining up with 6 at a time while playing at the same level.

One is clearly more right if it's working better.
 
domalino said:
This argument looks pretty stupid when we've produced 1 first team regular in 10 years and Chelsea are lining up with 6 at a time while playing at the same level.

One is clearly more right if it's working better.
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The argument will be more stupid if any of those chelsea youngster is even good enough for our squad, i can count two that make a cut. one probably starting the other is bench player and not more than that. While City youngster is in similar situation so it's even.
 
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Kamaro011 said:
The argument will be more stupid if any of those chelsea youngster is even good enough for our squad, i can count two that make a cut. one probably starting the other is bench player and not more than that. While City youngster is in similar situation so it's even.
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Or we could just leave it up to Pep, as he seems to be doing alright so far.

The kids will get a chance to shine, but not at the risk of losing any momentum.
 
Kamaro011 said:
The argument will be more stupid if any of those chelsea youngster is even good enough for our squad, i can count two that make a cut. one probably starting the other is bench player and not more than that. While City youngster is in similar situation so it's even.
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Ah so you think Chelsea beat us in the FA cup, and CL final and are in the middle of a title race with us because their team is full of players who aren't good enough to get in our squad?
 
Petetheblu said:
Or we could just leave it up to Pep, as he seems to be doing alright so far.

The kids will get a chance to shine, but not at the risk of losing any momentum.
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Yeah ultimately it's on Pep hands on how he handles these youngster and more than anyone it's only him that i can put trust on their development. The same man that develop Messi, Kimmich and many more into world class player, that's should be enough guarantee that Pep knows what's he doing. Probably the only thing that he is doing consistently right, doing this kind of thing.
 
Kamaro011 said:
Yeah ultimately it's on Pep hands on how he handles these youngster and more than anyone it's only him that i can put trust on their development. The same man that develop Messi, Kimmich and many more into world class player, that's should be enough guarantee that Pep knows what's he doing. Probably the only thing that he is doing consistently right, doing this kind of thing.
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Get to f*ck!! The only thing he's doing right!!

The guy is nothing less than an genius, he's reinvented the most popular game in the world and no one can touch him.

A player has to be so much to play for City.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I don’t see how it would work having basically two first choice dm players. Surely he’d want to be starting every week
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We play 60 games a season our midfield players are ageing, you need to replace Ferm and Rodri is having to play ever game, FDJ would be a stunning addition.

Already rumours the rags want him, and IF that is the case , he would be a huge upgrade on what they have.
 
Keeper! said:
We play 60 games a season our midfield players are ageing, you need to replace Ferm and Rodri is having to play ever game, FDJ would be a stunning addition.

Already rumours the rags want him, and IF that is the case , he would be a huge upgrade on what they have.
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They will probably pay his inflated wages too, which is what I believe would be a sticking point for us.
 
Kamaro011 said:
Yeah ultimately it's on Pep hands on how he handles these youngster and more than anyone it's only him that i can put trust on their development. The same man that develop Messi, Kimmich and many more into world class player, that's should be enough guarantee that Pep knows what's he doing. Probably the only thing that he is doing consistently right, doing this kind of thing.
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Apart from winning multiple titles, cups and breaking records as he goes along with changing the way football is played at every level in this country for the better Having done the same in Germany and Spain
 
Fuzzy80 said:
We should not be able to get De Jong, but Barca’s financial situation has given us an opportunity.

We should take advantage!!
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Someone is trying to take advantage

"New Manchester United boss Ralf Rangnick is eyeing up a move for Barcelona's Dutch midfielder Frenkie de Jong, 24, as he looks to begin the rebuilding process at Old Trafford. (El Nacional, via Daily Star) "
 
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