Friedrich Engels statue

Ancient Citizen said:
So basically, communism didn't succeed because the evil capitalists wouldn't let it.
Nobody stopped the Soviet Union from implementing the system, Nazism tried, failed, then the soviets forced occupied
territories into the same ideology. It failed because of what it is, a stifling, repressive, inefficient, poverty creating
nightmare that makes no sense economically, and because sound economics drive prosperity, it collapsed in 1989.
Nobody ever fled from West Germany to the East, simply because living under communism was a dreadful experience,
It sounds nicely egalitarian when propounded by a millionaire mill owner, assisted by one many consider to be a skiving
layabout, but as soon as it came into being, power to the people never ensued, power to the chosen few did.
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Not quite what i said, and i am not some kind of frothing at the mouth comrade, but you have to admit that if virtually the entire developed world is wholly against the ideology on which your nation is based then they are not going to look favorably upon you as a global partner are they.

This "stifling, repressive, inefficient, poverty creating nightmare" you talk about, how does this compare to the capatilist utopia that we now inhabit, i mean look at all this prosperity that we have:

  • Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.
  • More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day.
  • 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty.

Half of the world are obese and overfed, wasting thousands of tonnes of food daily, the other half starve. Nice efficient system we've got.
 
Southbanken said:
Not quite what i said, and i am not some kind of frothing at the mouth comrade, but you have to admit that if virtually the entire developed world is wholly against the ideology on which your nation is based then they are not going to look favorably upon you as a global partner are they.

This "stifling, repressive, inefficient, poverty creating nightmare" you talk about, how does this compare to the capatilist utopia that we now inhabit, i mean look at all this prosperity that we have:

  • Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.
  • More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day.
  • 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty.

Half of the world are obese and overfed, wasting thousands of tonnes of food daily, the other half starve. Nice efficient system we've got.
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Yes, the world's not fair or equitable, it was ever thus, but you're never going to change that situation with communism.
Do you think the Russia would have had the overwhelming majority of it's population living lives that had
no comparison to people in Western Europe, or America, if they'd had a system similar to here, or West Germany?
This wasn't Somalia or the Sudan, it is a vast nation with rich oil/gas/timber and mineral resources, yet under communism
shortages were endemic and life was grim, the system caused the inefficiency and resultant low living standards,
under a capitalist system they would have been no different to us, France, Germany, Australia etc;
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Yes, the world's not fair or equitable, it was ever thus, but you're never going to change that situation with communism.
Do you think the Russia would have had the overwhelming majority of it's population living lives that had
no comparison to people in Western Europe, or America, if they'd had a system similar to here, or West Germany?
This wasn't Somalia or the Sudan, it is a vast nation with rich oil/gas/timber and mineral resources, yet under communism
shortages were endemic and life was grim, the system caused the inefficiency and resultant low living standards,
under a capitalist system they would have been no different to us, France, Germany, Australia etc;
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Your certainly never going to change it with communism unless the whole world buys into it. The discussions around the universal basic wage is very communist in its thinking and is starting to get some traction. Capitalism is dying, we need to find a new system before it implodes completely, i am not saying that is Engels version of communism but i think it will be closer to that than the system we have now.
 
Engels was a hypocritical twat, and therefore fits right in with the politburo at Manchester City council...a body of men who happily kept the peasants in their place until they embraced capitalism. ..I hope the statue goes up..I will piss on it every chance I get...
 
manctheknife said:
Engels was a hypocritical twat, and therefore fits right in with the politburo at Manchester City council...a body of men who happily kept the peasants in their place until they embraced capitalism. ..I hope the statue goes up..I will piss on it every chance I get...
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Are you pissed? Genuine question.
 
urban genie said:
When do you think it was written?

The books old testament was written over a span of 800 years with the last one in about 1st cemtury bc.

A greek version of the book of Matthew is the oldest known gospel around 70 AD, and between then and 340AD other text are written, still mainly in greek.
A full complete works that is intact is still kept in the vatican and was written around 350AD and that is the oldest known full Bible so yes 4th century.

Their is a 1000 years previous to tgat of books and scriptures though.
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So not written in the fourth century then? All done and dusted by early 2nd century at latest. No idea where you're getting this, especially some "other text" in 340AD.
 
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