BlueDeadHead
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Part of this season is letting the contracts run down for a number of players. Never thought we would go for a FB in January.
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Part of this season is letting the contracts run down for a number of players. Never thought we would go for a FB in January.
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you can put the left sided center back in with the full backs as the 3 positions all have the same problem,
A. no first team player in his pomp
B. no young player in the b team desperate for a chance
C. now no youth player coming through
citys high back line and rotating have ruined citys defense with the help of age
a good defense is not bought or built it is grown , time playing together every week plays better than a defence of superstars rotated
so here is what i would buy
rb Karsdorp cheap young Walker play alike Iorfa cheap understudy
lcb Van Djik too late to get him cheap Hause cheap understudy.
lb Kolasinac out of contract in the summer Milner play alike, Sessegnon a must
non of these i would buy because they are cheap, but because they all have potential and time to grow
Dax777''s post above is spot on lets hope someone at city is listening, but after 3 years of these posts it is unlikely
I'd rather we just told the rest of the football world to go fuck themselves and signed Alaba as left back and Bellerin as right back for whatever it costs. Full back positions then sorted for the next 5 or even 10 years.
Otamendi actually has been value for money. But I agree we don't need expensive.
The problem here is that folks often mistake cost for talent. They are unrelated quite often. Cost often is a function of the player's hype and the doggedness of the owning club and league.
Players from Italy, are Portugal, overpriced and unreasonable, while players from Spain and Germany tend to be fairly priced. And players ft Netherland and France tend to be grossly underpriced.
If I was the Director of a midtable English club, you can easily close the gap on the top by bargain shopping in France and the Dutch leagues.
And if you are a smart top club you should get your role players from these leagues too.
So the question here is this? Who are the best fullbacks in the Netherlands and France? Figure who are rated in the top 6 fullbacks, then take the 2 that best fits your Philosophy.
Neither would cost more than 8 million. But we don't do this, instead we chase after overhyped players in the Italian and Portuguese leagues. This leagues profit by selling at exorbitant prices.
I mean, fucking Alderwierld, Wildnajnum, Erickson, Payet, Blind, Vertonghen, Vermaelen e.t.c. They almost all tend to cost less and give value.
Dutch league players a technically proficient, while French league players tend to be more aggressive.
Give me the best left back in the Dutch league and the best RB in the French league.
I bet you 15 million secured both with some change.
the best fullbacks in France are Kurzawa, Aurier, Sidibe and Fabinho. Kurzawa is impossible to get. Aurier has attitude problems and a big ego. And the other two would cost over 30 million each. Eredivisie fullbacks tend to be decent at attacking but can't defend for sh*t. think Kolarov with more pace. Having said that I still agree with the general idea of your post.
I think you are mostly mistaken the most popular fullbacks in France for the best.the best fullbacks in France are Kurzawa, Aurier, Sidibe and Fabinho. Kurzawa is impossible to get. Aurier has attitude problems and a big ego. And the other two would cost over 30 million each. Eredivisie fullbacks tend to be decent at attacking but can't defend for sh*t. think Kolarov with more pace. Having said that I still agree with the general idea of your post.
The best FBs in France are
Perreirra, Marcal, Sidibe, Sabaly, Badila and Mendy. You can skip the PSG boys. Sure they are good, but that's not what we are targeting.
Easily Perreirra sticks out like a sore thumb. He wouldn't cost more than 10 mil and that includes the City premium. To another club, he'd probably cost 7-8 million.
In the Dutch league, Joel Veltman is a lot like Azpilicueta. Strong in the tackle and technically sound. Frankly I'd we got him we won't regret it. And his opposite number Skingraven is equally fantastic on the left (sure he is an attacking fullback but he is pretty good overall).
Then there is Karsdorp, Haps and Arias who are all pretty solid defenders in their own right. I know Jetro Willems gives Dutch fullbacks a bad name. He is not the norm though.
I think you are mostly mistaken the most popular fullbacks in France for the best.
The best FBs in France are
Perreirra, Marcal, Sidibe, Sabaly, Badila and Mendy. You can skip the PSG boys. Sure they are good, but that's not what we are targeting.
Easily Perreirra sticks out like a sore thumb. He wouldn't cost more than 10 mil and that includes the City premium. To another club, he'd probably cost 7-8 million.
In the Dutch league, Joel Veltman is a lot like Azpilicueta. Strong in the tackle and technically sound. Frankly I'd we got him we won't regret it. And his opposite number Skingraven is equally fantastic on the left (sure he is an attacking fullback but he is pretty good overall).
Then there is Karsdorp, Haps and Arias who are all pretty solid defenders in their own right. I know Jetro Willems gives Dutch fullbacks a bad name. He is not the norm though.
Pretty sure Pereira is a Porto player and we know how they negotiate, Marcal is probably too old considering the type of signings we've been making recently. Sidibe would be very good for ~27 mil considering Monaco bought him for 15 mil this season. Sabaly is not quite there offensively and defensively, probably needs another season to get to our level. Badila seems to be an odd fullback in these times because his strength seems to be in defending, not too sure if he possesses the ball skill to play for us. Mendy seems to be a perfect fit, not too sure how much he would cost, presumably similar price to Sidibe.
Joel Veltman is a centreback, not much to say about that. I presume you're talking about Daley Sinkgraven, who is an attacking midfielder playing at fullback, too early to judge him as a defender and he seems to be very lightweight so that's a worry. Haven't seen much of Haps and Arias myself so no comment on them. Karsdorp is very good, as long as we can get him for less than 20 mil. Willems is a left sided Aurier with inferior defensive ability.
Sidibe, Karsdorp and Ricardo Rodriguez would be my choice of fullbacks to buy this summer considering price, ability and potential for the future.
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Pretty sure Pereira is a Porto player and we know how they negotiate, Marcal is probably too old considering the type of signings we've been making recently. Sidibe would be very good for ~27 mil considering Monaco bought him for 15 mil this season. Sabaly is not quite there offensively and defensively, probably needs another season to get to our level. Badila seems to be an odd fullback in these times because his strength seems to be in defending, not too sure if he possesses the ball skill to play for us. Mendy seems to be a perfect fit, not too sure how much he would cost, presumably similar price to Sidibe.
Joel Veltman is a centreback, not much to say about that. I presume you're talking about Daley Sinkgraven, who is an attacking midfielder playing at fullback, too early to judge him as a defender and he seems to be very lightweight so that's a worry. Haven't seen much of Haps and Arias myself so no comment on them. Karsdorp is very good, as long as we can get him for less than 20 mil. Willems is a left sided Aurier with inferior defensive ability.
Sidibe, Karsdorp and Ricardo Rodriguez would be my choice of fullbacks to buy this summer considering price, ability and potential for the future.
Isn't the general consensus on Rodriguez is he is Kolarov 2.0 but just younger and slightly faster.
I hope we look at Sidibe/Pereira/Semedo for RB and then Grimaldo/Karsdorp/Ghoulam/Wendell/Sandro(Stretch).
Isn't the general consensus on Rodriguez is he is Kolarov 2.0 but just younger and slightly faster.
I hope we look at Sidibe/Pereira/Semedo for RB and then Grimaldo/Karsdorp/Ghoulam/Wendell/Sandro(Stretch).
Difference between Kolarov and him is that he can actually attack, not just smash a ball across the box and hope it hits someone. If we can get him for 15 mil then it is good business. He's still better than both leftbacks we have.
Yeah he is. But he has played predominantly at RB this season. Sanchez and Viergever getting the starts at CB. He is a solid tackler and his intelligence with the ball at feet is fantastic. Really, it feels like you are watching Azpilicueta playing RB. He is not a marauding Fullback, but that inverted CM role stuff Pep seems to like but doesn't have the fullbacks for, fits Veltman to a "T". Been my favorite Ajax player this season.Pretty sure Pereira is a Porto player and we know how they negotiate, Marcal is probably too old considering the type of signings we've been making recently. Sidibe would be very good for ~27 mil considering Monaco bought him for 15 mil this season. Sabaly is not quite there offensively and defensively, probably needs another season to get to our level. Badila seems to be an odd fullback in these times because his strength seems to be in defending, not too sure if he possesses the ball skill to play for us. Mendy seems to be a perfect fit, not too sure how much he would cost, presumably similar price to Sidibe.
Joel Veltman is a centreback, not much to say about that. I presume you're talking about Daley Sinkgraven, who is an attacking midfielder playing at fullback, too early to judge him as a defender and he seems to be very lightweight so that's a worry. Haven't seen much of Haps and Arias myself so no comment on them. Karsdorp is very good, as long as we can get him for less than 20 mil. Willems is a left sided Aurier with inferior defensive ability.
Sidibe, Karsdorp and Ricardo Rodriguez would be my choice of fullbacks to buy this summer considering price, ability and potential for the future.
Skingraven is a better footballer in terms of skills, technique, vision and being a dribbler. But has to grow into the position. Veltman is the better defender.
As for fullbacks to buy: Yes, Perreirra, and Karsdorp I'm high on. Rodriguez and Sidibe not as much. Grimaldo, Bernat, and Sinkgraven the way he is playing are higher on my list.
If price is ignored, then Semedo has to top the list.
Yeah he is. But he has played predominantly at RB this season. Sanchez and Viergever getting the starts at CB. He is a solid tackler and his intelligence with the ball at feet is fantastic. Really, it feels like you are watching Azpilicueta playing RB. He is not a marauding Fullback, but that inverted CM role stuff Pep seems to like but doesn't have the fullbacks for, fits Veltman to a "T". Been my favorite Ajax player this season.
Skingraven is a better footballer in terms of skills, technique, vision and being a dribbler. But has to grow into the position. Veltman is the better defender.
As for fullbacks to buy: Yes, Perreirra, and Karsdorp I'm high on. Rodriguez and Sidibe not as much. Grimaldo, Bernat, and Sinkgraven the way he is playing are higher on my list.
If price is ignored, then Semedo has to top the list.
Grimaldo and Pereira will cost crazy money along with Semedo.
Bernat is rubbish from what I've seen, the archetypal Spanish fullback who is really just a winger who can't score goals.
Pep's system requires fullbacks who aren't only good players, they must be good athletes capable of running down the wing for the entire game. not sure how Veltman would fit in... if we played 3 at the back, he would be perfect for it as a ball playing centreback, just like Azpi who plays there now.