Full Backs?

richards30 said:
bad move imo but at least kolarov will be out!!
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I agree mate....we have a pattern of keeping players past their best...players that are clearly not at the same level! This shouldnt be seen as "hate" on a player, it should be seen as just good business to move them on before their contracts run out. Players like Zab and Yaya have been a big part of our winning seasons but the signs are there that they slowing down and we should be looking to bring in new exciting talent while we can.....I personally feel last summer was the right time to sign replacements for Zab and Kolarov and we would have then seen a smooth change over this summer when/if they left....imo!;)
 
Ric said:
Clichy was excellent towards the end of last season, and can see him thriving under Guardiola. Don't think we'll be signing another left back this window, even when Kolarov goes. I expect either Angelino or Zinchenko (or Delph at a push) will be back up.
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This is my thought aswel Ric, if you watch Guardiola teams he seems to have fullbacks who instead of crossing a ball just pass it into the box (don't waste possession)
 
City_Sean said:
The guy had a rest for about 3 months of the season last year and was utterly woeful. There's some absolutely ridiculous revisionism going on.
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Mainly from you with your completely over the top description of him.
 
Why does everyone seem to think zinchenko plays as a full back, not having a go just he doesn't play there for Ukraine he played there very little for ufa i mean delph has played more out wide and can't imagine anyone thinking he is a wide midfielder, cant understand why people assume he is a replacement for kolarov, has the club or someone indicated he will play there?
 
Ric said:
Clichy was excellent towards the end of last season, and can see him thriving under Guardiola. Don't think we'll be signing another left back this window, even when Kolarov goes. I expect either Angelino or Zinchenko (or Delph at a push) will be back up.
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You say Delph at a push, but from what I've read Pep often plays his fullbacks either side of his pivot, more as extra midfielders, so converted midfielders like Delph or Fernandinho on the other side may be more suited than conventional full backs. for some games.
 
Pablo1 said:
Mainly from you with your completely over the top description of him.
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There's nothing over the top. People need to stop sentiment cloud the fact that a player is over the hill. For me, I want the best for this football club and I fail to see how retaining the same four fullbacks takes us closer to the elite clubs.
 
City_Sean said:
There's nothing over the top. People need to stop sentiment cloud the fact that a player is over the hill. For me, I want the best for this football club and I fail to see how retaining the same four fullbacks takes us closer to the elite clubs.
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What people need to do is stop accusing those who don't see the 'woeful' player they do as being full of sentiment and it clouding their view. Also making out that you want what's best for the club so by default I don't is a crock of shite.
You won't get any argument from me about the need for new full backs, I've said it often enough over the last 12 months - but yes,your descriptions of players do tend to go over the top.
 
City_Sean said:
There's nothing over the top. People need to stop sentiment cloud the fact that a player is over the hill. For me, I want the best for this football club and I fail to see how retaining the same four fullbacks takes us closer to the elite clubs.
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This is spot on for me. Too many think Clichy/Sagna are the way forward but I disagree. Both completely average and need upgrading. I think all 4 fb's will be gone by next summer.
 
blue62 said:
This is spot on for me. Too many think Clichy/Sagna are the way forward but I disagree. Both completely average and need upgrading. I think all 4 fb's will be gone by next summer.
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I do too. And what's frustrating is people affording certain players more time even though there's clear evidence they're on the wane.
 
City_Sean said:
There's nothing over the top. People need to stop sentiment cloud the fact that a player is over the hill. For me, I want the best for this football club and I fail to see how retaining the same four fullbacks takes us closer to the elite clubs.
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If Zabaleta stays, he might not,and we dont buy a right back something has changed, that can only mean Pep has changed his mind. If its to play Zabaleta than he has seen something and who are we to say he is over the hill. On the otherhand it might just be he fancies somebody else at rb , Maffeo, Fernandinho, who knows, not us because we haven't seen them training.
 
I think it's a bit premature to dismiss Zabaleta on the back of an injury ravaged season (he missed 19 games, or 98 days, through injury), where the whole team played badly. He's had seven excellent seasons prior to his disappointing form last campaign. He's still "only" 31, so I wouldn't write him off just yet. I'm hopefuly Guardiola can get at least another season out of him.
 
Ric said:
I think it's a bit premature to dismiss Zabaleta on the back of an injury ravaged season (he missed 19 games, or 98 days, through injury), where the whole team played badly. He's had seven excellent seasons prior to his disappointing form last campaign. He's still "only" 31, so I wouldn't write him off just yet. I'm hopefuly Guardiola can get at least another season out of him.
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I also think he could be an excellent utility DM in a Pep system. I think he'll keep hold of him(hopes!)
 
City_Sean said:
I do too. And what's frustrating is people affording certain players more time even though there's clear evidence they're on the wane.
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Dunno about that mate, Sagna was immense at the Euros, I didn't see any evidence he's on the wane at all.
 
blue62 said:
This is spot on for me. Too many think Clichy/Sagna are the way forward but I disagree. Both completely average and need upgrading. I think all 4 fb's will be gone by next summer.
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Have you even watched Sagna? He was class last season and was one of the best defenders in the Euro's as well. There is absolutely no evidence he is on the decline. And Clichy was great at the end of last season. In the future we will need new full backs but If we don't sign any this window it is far from a disaster.
 
RandomJ said:
Have you even watched Sagna? He was class last season and was one of the best defenders in the Euro's as well. There is absolutely no evidence he is on the decline. And Clichy was great at the end of last season. In the future we will need new full backs but If we don't sign any this window it is far from a disaster.
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Here we go with the usual 'have you even watched?' Yes I have. If you think Sagna is immense then I accept that you have an opinion. It's just that I disagree. There are reasons for our decline in the past 2 seasons and he is one of them. Micah 4/5 years ago and Zaba till recently head and shoulders above him. He is a downgrade.
 
It's simple. We need pacey, direct fullbacks who will bomb up and down. Both Kolarov and Zaba (unfortunately) have to go. Time to be ruthless!
 
Got to be open minded and trust Pep's judgement on this. I think we need to sign a couple more midfielders if we are going to move Ferndinho to right back, otherwise that does not make sense as we need him in midfield.

Denayer played a lot at RB last season so I think he is an option there as well as adding depth to the squad at CB
 
Think Pep playing Lahm in MF might have created a false impression that any of our fullbacks can play there too..Lahm is a one-off & brilliantly intelligent.
 
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