Garcia and Kolarov....

[Manchester_lalala]

Keep seeing Garcia is a good player give him chance. He will not come good for us, zero chance of it. The worst midfielder I've seen for city for years, he's clueless.

 

[Blue and Proud]

There's a popular call for both to be sold in the summer but I really don't think either are particularly marketable, especially given their likely wage demands and their unquestionable under-par performances this season.
I actually think both have something to offer City in the future, Garcia's aerial threat at set pieces, Kolorov's freekicks, but both suffer from lack of first team football. It's a bit of a Catch 22 situation, they both need match sharpness through more game time but are unlikely to get it due to them being classed as back-up players who aren't good enough for regular starts.

 

[trevorriley]

When these two are playing it shows weakness in our squad, we will never become the team we want to be or CL contenders with players of this standard...

Might sound a bit harsh on Dzecko to, but when the team sheet at any given time during the game shows kolarov / garcia / dzecko we are poor. They are average PL players.

 

[Feed-The-Goat]

We miss Pollock.

 

[cccc]

Kolarov has anything but a "good football brain". Defensively his positioning is awful and he's easily caught out, we've seen it many times.

Attacking, which is where you expect him to make up for being unable to defend, his crosses usually end up in the side netting or over the bar and his shots usually end making people in level two duck in fright. Sometimes his crosses (and free kicks) do come off but that is the law of averages coming into play where if you do something 100 times it's bound to work once or twice.

Yesterday he was in acres of space and his crosses were woeful, one actually had to be saved by the goalkeeper which he meant as a cross but looked like a shot because it was misplaced. You need only look at someone like Baines for attacking left-backs with proper end product, probably on half the wages too.

He would ideally go back to Serie A but we've given him such a big pay packet now it'll be hard to move him (according to TMW in Italy today, who were discussing Juventus' options for a new left-back, he earns £850k/year more than our first choice left-back!).

He is a good passer of the ball. Knows when to make the runs into space, and generally is found a lot of the times. He does have a good football brain, when it comes to defending he is simply lazy and definitely a liability of course we know that.

As I said, his crossing yesterday was below par but in general his crosses are dangerous. Plenty of times in matches his crossing should have led to a goal. He scores goals with his free-kicks, so you can't say he can't take them.

 

[Seosa]

does the spanish national team boss also give garcia his "blind support"

An observation; most posters on here whose username references Law's backheel are utter shafts.

 

[Santiago Street]

Kolarov played well last night. Defended pretty well, won some 50/50s, kept getting forward, kept showing for the ball even after a couple of disappointing passes. His lack of pace will always hinder him against the top teams but he's a more than adequate reserve for Clichy and seems to be a big personality in the squad.

Garcia on the other hand was rubbish. When we're in possession he hides. When he's given the ball he happily passes to a teammate who's under pressure rather than take a bit of responsibility himself, buy some space and feed somebody who's free. He's hopeless when people run at him, timid in the tackle and not strong enough. His passing is accurate and he has some tactical nous but that's not nearly enough to justify his place in our squad.

 

[Churchill123]

For 3-5-2 I reckon you'd need Baines on the left and Alves on the right to be at it's best.

You'd play Nasty, Vinny and Zaba as the three, have Barry and Yaya as the two and Silva as the man in front with Aguero and Dzeko/Tevez alongside him.

For me it's a half hearted mimic of Juventus that he's used as a plan b width option. The problem is our midfield is much to slow to offer the adequate protection required for such a system.

-- Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:18 pm --



We paid £15m for Kolarov, he's on near enough 100k pw too. That's £10k more than Arsenal paid RVP last season!

Another crackin bit of business we did then!

Too right. Just like Garcia, Rodwell (has real potential but most likely going to be a perma crock in all honesty, any evertonian would tell you the same), Sinclair and Maicon, just fucking tragic really.

I'm hoping the fat is trimmed, and we look for upgrades on what we have rather than more inferior quality players in the squad.

One of the guys in the same apartment block as mine is an evertonian, always have a good chat with him about football, and he was well chuffed with the rodwell deal, he said it was a deal for everton...

He recon's that Rodwell grew fast at a young age and hence why he has alot of hamstring problems and is always out injured!

 

[Newtoncc]

I am afaid to say Garcia was poor last night , first half played defensive role and we looked shaky, then Yaya acame back and we looked better(but still not great). Start of second half was strange because Garcia played ok, but playing him in a back 3 with Kolarov and Richards further forward actually made Kompany and Lescott look edgy and they struggled.
When eventually he came off for Milner shape looked better and we improved.

PS listen to Mancini about Richards om Mcfc.co.uk, not pleased with him and seems to fall in line with rumours that he thinks Richarsd is never fit and needs to improve a lot.

 

[schfc6]

I never understand the hatred for Kolarov..

I keep hearing he's lazy, doesn't try, doesn't defend well and is inconsistent with his deliveries and free kicks..

I like him, I sit lower tier Colin Bell, so when he plays it's normally in front of me in the second half.
He always seems to be pushing the team forward, always trying to inject pace in to our attacks. He is more often than not playing in a weaker team, a team that is often struggling to break the opposition down. I see kolarov as a essential part in many games against the lower sides.
He drives us forward, and hits crosses and lots of crosses into the box. As discussed elsewhere, this is how United often break sides down, repeated hard hit crosses are inconsistent, but when effective lead to goals and mistakes leading to goals.

I know he's a little hit and miss, but so was Carlos, he was loved all over the world, I doubt his 20 year career yielded as many goals as Kolarov's so far.
Beckham was good for what 4,5 maybe six free kicks per season, Kolarov wouldn't be too far behind that in what a fifth of the games?

I hear time and time again what a poor defender he is, I can't think of a single goal that he was responsible for. I would be interested if anyone had any examples..

I agree he is not the best defender, but he's not the worst and I think whilst being way behind Clichy in our team, he is a very decent back up.

 

[pudge]

Nothing wrong with Kolarov's passing. Far better than Clichy in that regard. He has a good football brain but as we know is a liability defensively. No getting away from that. He can put in a good last ditch tackle and on occasion defend ok but he lacks the concentration and in many ways he doesn't WANT to defend. He is a lot faster getting into positions then he is getting back to defend.

Last night he made a lot of good runs, his crossing was poor but usually it is a lot better than that. Don't forget he hasn't played in a month either.

Anyway, he will be off in the summer so no need to bitch about him more.

You're obviously watching another team.

Kolarov is terrible.

The only positives people are mentioning regarding him are in an attacking sense, as a left back that's worrying.

 

[Blue Mooner]

The usual City fan disease of having to find a scapegoat. I thought Kolarov had an ok game, no worse or better than anyone else.

You won't have two better left backs anywhere else in the country. I like Kolarov and get him wide on that left foot and you can always sense that something good could happen. One of the sweetest left foots around and always a danger from free kicks.

With the lack of support he's getting he's probably lacking confidence.

I always feel sorry for the full backs at this club as they are the ones that will tend to get the vitriolic shouts all game and it can't do anything to help your performance.

 

[robbieh]

Some of the posters here are in their own way as useless as Kolarov and Garcia. Why they seem to need to criticize players who play for Serbia and Spain respectively is beyong me.

OK Kolarov is not as good as Clichy. Fine Garcia is not Yaya. That's it. No need to heap abuse on them.

 

[Matt.D]

Kolarov is not good enough but has actually been one of our better players in the 2 poor champions league campaigns. Everyone needs a 2nd choice fullback I don't think there would be any rationale in having 2 world class left backs.

Garcia however has been utter shite and no matter how blind some of you want to be where he's concerned he will never be good enough because he simply cannot move. His passing is also not good enough. His only party piece is the occasional header from a set piece. Get rid.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

I never understand the hatred for Kolarov..

I keep hearing he's lazy, doesn't try, doesn't defend well and is inconsistent with his deliveries and free kicks..

I like him, I sit lower tier Colin Bell, so when he plays it's normally in front of me in the second half.
He always seems to be pushing the team forward, always trying to inject pace in to our attacks. He is more often than not playing in a weaker team, a team that is often struggling to break the opposition down. I see kolarov as a essential part in many games against the lower sides.
He drives us forward, and hits crosses and lots of crosses into the box. As discussed elsewhere, this is how United often break sides down, repeated hard hit crosses are inconsistent, but when effective lead to goals and mistakes leading to goals.

I know he's a little hit and miss, but so was Carlos, he was loved all over the world, I doubt his 20 year career yielded as many goals as Kolarov's so far.
Beckham was good for what 4,5 maybe six free kicks per season, Kolarov wouldn't be too far behind that in what a fifth of the games?

I hear time and time again what a poor defender he is, I can't think of a single goal that he was responsible for. I would be interested if anyone had any examples..

I agree he is not the best defender, but he's not the worst and I think whilst being way behind Clichy in our team, he is a very decent back up.

Granny shaggers first in the FA cup.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxvuYnXuRyg[/youtube]


6 seconds in. Loses a 20 /80 in his favor.

 

[pudge]

The usual City fan disease of having to find a scapegoat. I thought Kolarov had an ok game, no worse or better than anyone else.

You won't have two better left backs anywhere else in the country. I like Kolarov and get him wide on that left foot and you can always sense that something good could happen. One of the sweetest left foots around and always a danger from free kicks.

With the lack of support he's getting he's probably lacking confidence.

I always feel sorry for the full backs at this club as they are the ones that will tend to get the vitriolic shouts all game and it can't do anything to help your performance.

Except nobody is being used as a scapegoat are they?

People are just voicing their own opinion on two players.<br /><br />-- Apr 18th, '13, 19:18 --<br /><br />

I never understand the hatred for Kolarov..

I keep hearing he's lazy, doesn't try, doesn't defend well and is inconsistent with his deliveries and free kicks..

I like him, I sit lower tier Colin Bell, so when he plays it's normally in front of me in the second half.
He always seems to be pushing the team forward, always trying to inject pace in to our attacks. He is more often than not playing in a weaker team, a team that is often struggling to break the opposition down. I see kolarov as a essential part in many games against the lower sides.
He drives us forward, and hits crosses and lots of crosses into the box. As discussed elsewhere, this is how United often break sides down, repeated hard hit crosses are inconsistent, but when effective lead to goals and mistakes leading to goals.

I know he's a little hit and miss, but so was Carlos, he was loved all over the world, I doubt his 20 year career yielded as many goals as Kolarov's so far.
Beckham was good for what 4,5 maybe six free kicks per season, Kolarov wouldn't be too far behind that in what a fifth of the games?

I hear time and time again what a poor defender he is, I can't think of a single goal that he was responsible for. I would be interested if anyone had any examples..

I agree he is not the best defender, but he's not the worst and I think whilst being way behind Clichy in our team, he is a very decent back up.

Granny shaggers first in the FA cup.

[youtube]I hear time and time again what a poor defender he is, I can't think of a single goal that he was responsible for. I would be interested if anyone had any examples..[/youtube]


6 seconds in. Loses a 20 /80 in his favor.

Also, pretty sure Sporting last year he was at fault for one of their goals. First leg if I remember

 

[Mr. Aguia]

And the Spanish national manager too?

City struggled tonight because a lot of the team were playing on empty. Nothing to do with Garcia, although I don't like it when we play him and Barry together. Only works if Yaya gets forward a lot, and he wasn't. Basically the whole midfield just sat there and left the Wigan back 4 untroubled, and Nasri alone was left to run at them from deep.

But then you footballing dinosaurs probably don't rate him either

Yes that whole 1 cap for the national team as a sub is proof of his "quality". I don't get the way some folks grade him on such a curve. If he plays mediocre then it's proof he's quality. Nothing is expected of him but to be "OK". He's not expected to effect the game in any way. If he clearly a couple balls on corners he's soemhow done his job. I don't get it. He's a less effective version on NDJ yet he's good while NDJ was constantly critisized for his lack of effect on the game. Why do some feel it's important to make excuses for the guy? If he was playing for Stoke he'd fit right in and he'd be an acceptable player. We're not Stoke. We can't win the PL or CL with this guy in the starting 11.

 

[Utter bobbins]

I guess we didn't play great last night and score at least 3 hence this thread

 

[Thenumber1blue]

How do you single out players in a performance like this,the whole team was fuckin gash,besides Tevez.

 

[stonie]

Both dog shit, Garcia may improve if given time but nah get rid.....